That smacks of low wit LukeI'm still cracking up about it... that opium.LukeThere is something a bit Les Murray about dad falling out a car.I didn't want to seem accused, you're a good, motivating, influence.Luke
> a Creatve Writing class.so I dumbed it down?Cheers,LukeSnippet:"Poor cultures can afford poetry, wealthy cultures can't"- Les MurrayDBPSI feel that 'small press/opium dens' is a nice joke about small poetry presses and no more.I enjoyed Perelman's poem, it made me smile, but the literary self-refential humour is just as much a product of the litterateur as the self-consciously literary clerks of the nineteenth century were, like Thomas Hood's or Leigh Hunt's shadows.This is writing for the would-be academic-moored professional poets just as much as a Creatve Writing class.DavidWell the poem is Bob Perelman, Luke, not Prynne, so this is a bit confusing., but you do say 'any poetry''.I think it's a typically jokey Perelman poem: an insider's piece for outsiders. I like them on the page but don't like them so much when I hear him reading them to what seem very insider audiences. I think his rhythms work to the eyes but not the ears too.Interesting what you say about metaphor and experience - a good test for this would be to take it to pre-Twentieth Century poetry, how about trying it out on the Prelude for instance (all 3 versions if you like)?DavidThink I may have found a way to read Prynne, any poetry. Treating all non figurative language as non-referential and abstract, just an ordered and disordered narrative (of which anything reasonable can be said) of which only metaphor is really about experience.I was just reading this poem at random (Poems is elsewhere), and I think that only "small / press opium dens" is figurative (press meaning people or their products, and I feel only an adjective there would distort rather than deform syntax). The poem itself, its "abstractions" (his dad falling out the car) supports the metaphor ably, I think, vitalizes it.Does anyone want to admit to that making sense?Luke> All the ancient codes are poisonousBut not texts, then?I guess words don't have to be true to carry meaning.Hope you're well, David, as with anyone else still here.LukeAh that's a shame. I had a good day, and would've made it!I guess the broad consensus is that The White Stones is his best collection. It's the only one that doesn't frighten me!LukeI dunno. I've only seen him once but my impression wasn't of him being particularly small. Tallish rather.Maybe he diminishes underground? ;)I may have seen Prynne on the underground yesterday! That's why I posted again. A lot smaller than I had expected? At the time I was going with 'recently new to heorin' ha! The single taste. Now I am reminded of a Buddhist paraphrase: the one taste of the dharmadhatu.Cheers,LukeGosh. Paradise Re-PhrasedThis is one (one) poem from the collection: she says 'thanks'...TO THEM
It is however for to love and each other care
in the day of flight, each one of when
turn to look and long given, under fair
prodigy out hand by level share placement
there first before, certain advocate sign
lapwing ever flutter. Eye forward be proof
to find, pair leaning way gate of truth
to on hold attach deep shoulder vivid or
rick on wave, admit. Damper by warm lee
pensive, in view cherish for sake better
back exchange bright glow evince shadow
be steady beseem conviction if in both
reachment. Already where in turn over
gaze deflected already understood, in-
version of promise returning, mutual to
search as implicit fortunate in both
out of shade yes to steady assented, to
guarantee. The other way too, if across
to weft liminal, glance to favourite
anticipate loyal spread craving truly
outreach. In truth, again as there will
predict to soft entrancement, hold out
topmost praise filling, aware. As your
wish will of to both, awash and seem
in known held shore-line, rustle back
and over by turn of love sentence told.
Known it is, across forth pattern trust
relinquish to claim opportune glimpse,
fair bow loft carried, raised between
life to them and them as for now most.
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