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I blame Bersgonian philosophies cheers,. Luke On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:15, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hmm. Yeah I can't do high wit.. maybe I'll try WIlde > Luke > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 14:13, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> That smacks of low wit Luke >> >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 12:52, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> I'm still cracking up about it... that opium. >>> Luke >>> >>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 11:37, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> There is something a bit Les Murray about dad falling out a car. >>>> I didn't want to seem accused, you're a good, motivating, influence. >>>> Luke >>>> >>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 10:27, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > a Creatve Writing class. >>>>> so I dumbed it down? >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Luke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 09:30, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Snippet: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Poor cultures can afford poetry, wealthy cultures can't" >>>>>> >>>>>> - Les Murray >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> DB >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 09:28, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> PS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel that 'small press/opium dens' is a nice joke about small >>>>>>> poetry presses and no more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I enjoyed Perelman's poem, it made me smile, but the literary >>>>>>> self-refential humour is just as much a product of the litterateur as the >>>>>>> self-consciously literary clerks of the nineteenth century were, like >>>>>>> Thomas Hood's or Leigh Hunt's shadows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is writing for the would-be academic-moored professional poets >>>>>>> just as much as a Creatve Writing class. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 08:18, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well the poem is Bob Perelman, Luke, not Prynne, so this is a bit >>>>>>>> confusing., but you do say 'any poetry''. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's a typically jokey Perelman poem: an insider's piece >>>>>>>> for outsiders. I like them on the page but don't like them so much when I >>>>>>>> hear him reading them to what seem very insider audiences. I think his >>>>>>>> rhythms work to the eyes but not the ears too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting what you say about metaphor and experience - a good >>>>>>>> test for this would be to take it to pre-Twentieth Century poetry, how >>>>>>>> about trying it out on the Prelude for instance (all 3 versions if you >>>>>>>> like)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 23:37, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Think I may have found a way to read Prynne, any poetry. Treating >>>>>>>>> all non figurative language as non-referential and abstract, just an >>>>>>>>> ordered and disordered narrative (of which anything reasonable can be said) >>>>>>>>> of which only metaphor is really about *experience*. >>>>>>>>> I was just reading this >>>>>>>>> <https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58547/confession-56d23d051bf73> >>>>>>>>> poem at random (*Poems *is elsewhere), and I think that only >>>>>>>>> "small / press opium dens" is figurative (press meaning people or their >>>>>>>>> products, and I feel only an adjective there would distort rather than >>>>>>>>> deform syntax). The poem itself, its "abstractions" (his dad falling out >>>>>>>>> the car) supports the metaphor ably, I think, vitalizes it. >>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to admit to that making sense? >>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 08:05, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > All the ancient codes are poisonous >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But not texts, then? >>>>>>>>>> I guess words don't have to be true to carry meaning. >>>>>>>>>> Hope you're well, David, as with anyone else still here. >>>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 13:49, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ah that's a shame. I had a good day, and would've made it! >>>>>>>>>>> I guess the broad consensus is that The White Stones is his best >>>>>>>>>>> collection. It's the only one that doesn't frighten me! >>>>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 at 07:21, David Bircumshaw < >>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I dunno. I've only seen him once but my impression wasn't of >>>>>>>>>>>> him being particularly small. Tallish rather. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he diminishes underground? ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 19:00, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have seen Prynne on the underground yesterday! That's >>>>>>>>>>>>> why I posted again. A lot smaller than I had expected? At the time I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> going with 'recently new to heorin' ha! The single taste. Now I am reminded >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a Buddhist paraphrase: the one taste of the dharmadhatu. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 07:42, David Bircumshaw < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gosh. Paradise Re-Phrased >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 00:59, Luke <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is one (one) poem from the collection: she says >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'thanks'... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TO THEM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however for to love and each other care >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the day of flight, each one of when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn to look and long given, under fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prodigy out hand by level share placement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there first before, certain advocate sign >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lapwing ever flutter. Eye forward be proof >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find, pair leaning way gate of truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to on hold attach deep shoulder vivid or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rick on wave, admit. Damper by warm lee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pensive, in view cherish for sake better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back exchange bright glow evince shadow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be steady beseem conviction if in both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reachment. Already where in turn over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaze deflected already understood, in- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of promise returning, mutual to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search as implicit fortunate in both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of shade yes to steady assented, to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guarantee. The other way too, if across >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to weft liminal, glance to favourite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anticipate loyal spread craving truly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outreach. In truth, again as there will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> predict to soft entrancement, hold out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topmost praise filling, aware. As your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish will of to both, awash and seem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in known held shore-line, rustle back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over by turn of love sentence told. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Known it is, across forth pattern trust >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relinquish to claim opportune glimpse, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair bow loft carried, raised between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life to them and them as for now most. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>>> link: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>> link: >>> >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >> link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >> > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1