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Dear Paul,


I have tested the FAST with bias-field correction turned off, the results were better but still not right.


The FAST works well on the unprocessed image.

I will try your suggestions: run FAST on the unprocessed, brain-extracted image, and then transform the outputs of FAST to a different

space if needed.


Thanks for your help.


Best regards,

Liangqiong


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发件人: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]> 代表 paul mccarthy <[log in to unmask]>
发送时间: 2019年7月19日 21:46
收件人: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
主题: Re: [FSL] 答复: [FSL] 答复: [FSL] [FSL] FAST Segmentation problem with all the brain regions are classified as GM

Hi Qiong,

Given that you have already performed bias-field correction, did you
try running FAST with its bias-field correction turned off, as Taylor
suggested?

It is also uncommon to run FAST on an image which has been registered
to a different space - you will generally get better results if you
run FAST on the unprocessed, brain-extracted image (again, suggested
by Taylor). You can then transform the outputs of FAST to a different
space if needed.

Paul

On 19/07/2019, QU Liangqiong <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Paul,
>
>
> Still not work if I skip the normalization step.
>
> I have tried ANTs, it seems that it works well on my data.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Liangqiong
>
>
> ________________________________
> 发件人: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]> 代表 paul mccarthy
> <[log in to unmask]>
> 发送时间: 2019年7月19日 16:34
> 收件人: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> 主题: Re: [FSL] 答复: [FSL] [FSL] FAST Segmentation problem with all the brain
> regions are classified as GM
>
> Hi Qiong,
>
> Does FAST produce better results if you skip the normalisation step?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
> On 16/07/2019, QU Liangqiong <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your illustration.
>>
>> The pre-processing steps are:
>>
>> 1. linear registration to MNI space
>>
>> 2. inhomogeneity correction
>>
>> 3. skull-stripping
>>
>> 4. normalization to [0,1]
>>
>>
>> The results are better when adding -N option, but still not quite
>> correct.
>>
>> See the attachment for an example with the -N option.
>>
>> [cid:42818c51-0c4d-40f6-916b-c516b8451d29]
>>
>>
>> FAST work well on the original image.
>>
>> It seems that the image pre-processing steps cause the problem.
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much for your help.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Liangqiong
>>
>> ________________________________
>> 发件人: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library <[log in to unmask]> 代表 Taylor
>> Hanayik
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> 发送时间: 2019年7月15日 17:41:41
>> 收件人: [log in to unmask]
>> 主题: Re: [FSL] [FSL] FAST Segmentation problem with all the brain regions
>> are
>> classified as GM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’ve had a look at the images you uploaded and they seem to have been
>> preprocessed in some way.
>>
>> Could you describe what processing has already been done to the images
>> prior
>> to FAST?
>>
>> FAST is failing at the bias correction stage. Have you previously bias
>> corrected this data before running FAST? If so, you can turn off FAST’s
>> bias
>> correction stage by using the -N option.
>>
>> Also, the data has been scaled to a 0-1 range. Was that step part of some
>> preprocessing before FAST?
>>
>> Could you try running the unprocessed (brain extracted) T1 through FAST
>> to
>> see if things work ok?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Taylor Hanayik
>>
>>
>> Taylor Hanayik PhD
>> Analysis Research Software Engineer
>> FMRIB, John Radcliffe Hospital
>> University of Oxford
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jul 2019, at 19:51, QU Liangqiong
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have updated two samples of my T1 files (the input to FAST) to
>> https://oxfile.ox.ac.uk/oxfile/work/extBox?id=754626B883867C03BB, with
>> name
>> S1_7t.nii and S7_3t.nii.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your help.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Liangqiong
>> ________________________________
>> 发件人: FSL - FMRIB's Software Library
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> 代表 Taylor Hanayik
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> 发送时间: 2019年7月10日 2:40:37
>> 收件人: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> 主题: Re: [FSL] FAST Segmentation problem with all the brain regions are
>> classified as GM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Happy to look into it for you. Could you upload a T1 file (the input that
>> you give to FAST)? We’ll have a look and test on our end.
>>
>> You can upload to Oxford’s file sharing service here:
>>
>> https://oxfile.ox.ac.uk/oxfile/work/extBox?id=754626B883867C03BB
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Taylor Hanayik
>>
>>
>> Taylor Hanayik PhD
>> Analysis Research Software Engineer
>> FMRIB, John Radcliffe Hospital
>> University of Oxford
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jul 2019, at 01:41, Liangqiong Qu
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I want to use “FAST Segmentation” to segment GM/WM/CSF from a
>> skull-stripped
>> 3T T1-weighted MR image. But it classifies all the brain regions  as GM.
>> I
>> have tuned the parameters, but it still not work.
>>
>>
>> I used the command like “/usr/local/fsl/bin/fast -t 1 -n 3 -H 0.1 -I 4 -l
>> 20.0 -o $Output_dir $Input_dir ”
>>
>>
>> I have also tested the same command on some other types of 3T T1-weighted
>> MR
>> image, the result seems good.
>>
>>
>> I want to ask:
>>
>> Is there any requirement of the input of T1-weighted MR image? Why it
>> works
>> well on some types of T1-weighted MR image work well, but collapses on
>> other
>> types of T1-weighted images.
>>
>> Could you give me some advice on this?
>>
>> I am looking forward for your feedback.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Qiong
>>
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