Hi

I have never found this written down or referred to in any Railway Group Standards  or in the DfT cop for Accessible stations or indeed the SRA own cop which predates this.
I have seen no legal case with reference to the colour of stair nosings, against transport or any other authority  and must admit would find it bizarre that an outcome of such a case would be to specify the colour of stair nosings especially as this could not take account of all colours of steps that could be used.

So apart from clear custom and practice with NR and TfL I have never been shown any document , even an out of date one, that actually specifies this particular combination.

Even though all guides and codes inc BS make it clear the nosings on stairs should be highlighted, none mention that they should be different colours on the same set of stairs, which as it is a very fundamental aspect also seems bizarre and the only explanation I have heard for this , is 'it doesn't say they can't be different either'! which is hardly a reason for doing so!

So can anyone actually produce, even an out of date reference that specifies that stair nosings at stations must have white nosings on all the steps except the top and bottom which must be yellow?

And in my 15 years experience in the rail industry in Accessibility I have never found in any written reference , anything that specifies this yet have always found this format slavishly followed by NR and TfL despite it being clear that steps fitted anywhere else in the country have stair nosings of all one colour ( if of course they have any at all!).

So if someone has got this evidence I would be very interested in seeing it.



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From: Parker Ian
Sent: ‎26/‎07/‎2019 14:30
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Subject: Re: Stair Nosing Colours?

Hi Ian,

 

Many Thanks for copy of this view and a short introduction where we may not have met in BEAP.

 

I sit with 19 Years professional accreditation through the NRAC as a Consultant (069) and I believe with the longest standing background in Railway Station Design Compliance as NRAC Consultant,  supported by near 30 years in the Rail industry in Stations Maintenance and Development.

 

This experience is backed through working with Regulatory Design Compliance and note that this subject has been Very Long standing with Legal case from LUL / TfL.

 

 

Could I please request that you might consult and research further on this issue?

 

Kind Regards.

 

Ian

 

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Sent: 23 July 2019 13:18
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Subject: Re: Stair Nosing Colours?

 

Hi Chris,

 

From my work with Network Rail there is no justification for having different coloured nosings. We always advise they are the same. In terms of LRV values there will not be a great difference between white and yellow.

 

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Ian


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From: Accessibuilt list <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Chris Cook <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Tuesday, 23 July 2019 at 13:13
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Subject: Stair Nosing Colours?

 

Hi All!

 

Please could I gauge the opinion of all on the list, who wish to reply to the following question below.

 

As I’m totally blind, it makes no difference to me whatsoever, but I’ve been asked to canvas some expert opinion and thought that here would be a good platform to do so.

 

Many Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Chris Cook.

 

The value of highlighting the stair nosing on stairs is obviously well known and to varying degrees of success this is a fairly standard improvement that should now be the norm on new external stairs and increasingly is being undertaken retrospectively on older stairs.

In most cases the stair nosings will end up all one colour ( although which colour can depend on the step itself), but on transport , particularly rail, they can end up with most of the steps having a white nosing whilst the top and bottom steps are just in yellow. This is supposedly so you can identify where either the top or bottom or intermediate landings are when looking at the steps. However , this subtlety is often lost on most people and in fact the different colour can cause confusion for people particularly where their sight is more limited and so having made their way down a flight of stairs looking at each stair nosing in turn they can get to the bottom one and think they have arrived at the bottom and then actually miss the last step.   

However what do you think, keep them all the same colour or have the top and bottom step in different colours, what do you think works best?

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