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So is anyone in a position to be able to point this out to the obstetrician concerned, in a public space, so that people in general can be made aware that, while he may indeed be doing aspects of midwifery (as per the Lancet Series) he cannot legally practice as a midwife unless he has a formally awarded midwife qualification (and, indeed, without being trained as a midwife he is very unlikely to be able to pass the necessary examinations and practical assessments to be awarded such a qualification)? All the best Soo From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of O'Connell, Rhona Sent: 24 April 2019 16:45 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Senior Irish obstetrician declares that he is a midwife as well as an obstetrician The Midwife is a protected title under the Irish Nurses and Midwives Act (2011): registered midwife”— (a) before the registers establishment day, means a midwife whose name is entered in the midwives division of the register of nurses within the meaning of the Act of 1985, and (b) on and after the registers establishment day, means a midwife whose name is entered in the midwives division of the register of nurses and midwives; First Midwives Act in Ireland was in 1918 Regards Rhona From: A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patricia Burkhardt Sent: Wednesday 24 April 2019 16:23 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Senior Irish obstetrician declares that he is a midwife as well as an obstetrician In my experience in America, obstetricians come from an education and training that focuses on diagnosis and treatment of disease. That is why they are always looking for the complications in pregnancy and childbirth. We, the midwives, come from a perspective of fostering and supporting a physiological process, i.e., that which women have the inherent ability to do well. They are 2 different perspectives that I think are mutually exclusive, except in the hands of individuals who understand them and are able to go back and forth depending on the needs of the women. Given the dominant medical model here in the US, that I think is being adopted in many countries, it is a constant challenge to remain true to the midwifery model of care. And I think Jane presented the reality of our times re populism. Pat On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:27 AM Margaret Dunlea <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, In a recent submission to the Irish Government's Health Committee on progress regarding implementation of the first National Maternity Strategy in 2016, a senior obstetrician, representing the Irish Institute of Obstetrics and Gynaecology suggested that he was a midwife as well as an obstetrician, and adding insult to injury, he said that he was proud of it. Do you share my outrage with this statement? Do obstetricians elsewhere share this view? What does this mean for working collaboratively? I would appreciate your views on tackling this. Kind Regards, Margaret Margaret Dunlea Assistant Professor in Midwifery SF, JS and SS Course Coordinator - Midwifery School of Nursing and Midwifery Trinity College Dublin 24 D'Olier Street, Dublin 2 Ireland 0872241798 01-8964080 Ollamh Cúnta an Chnáimhseachais Comhordaitheoir Cúrsaí Chlár Fochéime na Dara Bliana, na Tríú Bliana agus na Ceathrú Bliana Scoil an Altranais agus an Chnáimhseachais Coláiste Na Tríonóide, Baile Átha Cliath 24 Sráid D’Olier Baile Átha Cliath 2 Éire ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH&A=1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jiscmail.ac.uk_cgi-2Dbin_webadmin-3FSUBED1-3DMIDWIFERY-2DRESEARCH-26A-3D1&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=-J1OUHafr7BSZ3jmXk6aSw&m=yo33eesTxi0ykS1fz2DDfkIrhLKRVFjOIH1pytkNA0U&s=01xGR8yPuLfEstlkG1q065AnCPsK-18yH97A5j04JY4&e=> -- Patricia Burkhardt, LM, CM (r), DrPH, FACNM Member, New York State Association of Licensed Midwives (NYSALM) New York University Adjunct Clinical Associate Professor 718 644-8963 (Cell) ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH&A=1 [University of Central Lancashire] Please consider the environment before printing ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=MIDWIFERY-RESEARCH&A=1