Dear Francesco, dear All,


Many thanks for the valuable input. This is how trivia contribute to specialist knowledge. Eventually real facts start emerging.


Best wishes, Laszlo


From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Francesco Boschin <[log in to unmask]>
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Dear all,
 "fishing" wolves were observed in Italy, feeding in the fish farms of the Orbetello Lagoon (Grosseto, Tuscany).

You can use the link below, even if the video is not very informative...

http://www.nationalgeographic.it/multimedia/2018/03/28/video/lupo_caccia_in_laguna-3920640/1/

Best whishes,

   Francesco


Da: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> per conto di Arturo Morales <[log in to unmask]>
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Dear all,

 

To elaborate further on this issue, Hans Peter Uerpmann once told me that, up until the XXth century, the perro de aguas portugués (lit. Portuguese water-dog……..you may recall the breed because this is Obama’s pet dog), was regularly taken onboard by Portuguese fishermen operating in the Grand Banks/Newfoundland waters because the animal was apparently able to retrieve gear, as well as large fish lost in the water. Some animals were able to dive to achieve their goal!

 

I’m sure there must be loads of ethnographic data on the fishing abilities of this fox-terrier-size breed and others.

 

Cheers,

 

Arturo

 

De: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] En nombre de Rebecca Reynolds
Enviado el: lunes, 11 de marzo de 2019 12:02
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Following on from Laszlo's anecdotal evidence, my labrador seems to have also opportunistically caught fish. While I can't be 100% sure, when the tide would come into the harbour she would wander in and stick her head under the water and when she would lift it up again she appeared to be chomping on something, licking her chops and look extremely pleased with herself! Not the most empirical of data...

 

Best wishes,

 

Rebecca

 

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 10:02, Laszlo Bartosiewicz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear All,

 

More anecdotal evidence: our Labrador, a highly specialized "water-dog", once pursued a frog into a river, but gave up once it would have taken too much time to stick her nose under water: I think her breathing skills were not developed enough. This does not exclude canids catching opportunistically fish exposed, such as salmon during their upstream rush. But this is only my speculation. 

 

Any reference to polar bear vs brown bear fishing?

 

Best wishes, Laszlo


From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Josh Henkin <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 10 March 2019 23:15:31
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I read Bruce Brown's Mountain in the Clouds: A Search for the Wild Salmon several years ago now, but, to continue with the Pacific Northwest tack here, I believe he mentions that dogs at least play with and kill salmon for sport when they are in sufficiently accessible shallow waters, based on at least anecdotal evidence. I assume they would eat them as well if they weren't already well-fed otherwise -- however that's assuming these aren't wild dogs -- although I don't claim expertise here! 

Cheers,
Josh

 

On Sunday, March 10, 2019, Jonathan Driver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Just Google "Sea wolves great bear rain forest" or "coastal wolves great bear rain forest". Lots of information about coastal wolves that use marine resources on the coast of British Columbia. 

Jon

 

Jonathan Driver, PhD, RPA

Professor, Chair of the Graduate Program Committee,

Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University, 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, BC, Canada

http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/faculty/driver.html

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http://www.bamfieldmsc.com/

 


From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Amelia Halls <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: March 10, 2019 5:37 AM
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Hi everyone,

I am an undergraduate student currently writing my dissertation on human-canid interactions in the Mesolithic of north-western Europe. I’m trying to find evidence or papers that discuss dogs (or wolves) being capable (or not) of fishing. That is, I have isotope ratios for a couple of dogs at a Mesolithic coastal site in Britain which have a mixed marine and terrestrial signature, and I am trying to offer suggestions about whether dogs were hunting and consuming fish themselves, or whether they were scavenging/sharing fish/marine mammals that humans have caught. However, I can’t seem to find papers that discuss this - does anyone have access to any papers which discuss the fishing capabilities of canids?

Best wishes,
Amelia

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