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Dear colleagues, it reminds me that when I was still a shepherd, thirty years ago, we also practiced the method of recovering a twin lamb (or tripled) with the skin of a stillborn lamb for adoption by the mother of the stillborn. It worked sometimes. But the most effective was to rub the whole body of the lamb to adopt with the deliverance (placenta) of the mother of the stillborn. I hope it's useful.Best regards, Olivier. Olivier PUTELAT ARCHEOLOGIE ALSACE (PAIR) Service d'Archéologie et Recherches Scientifiques - Laboratoire de Bio-Archéologie - Archéozoologue Dr. Chercheur associé aux UMR : 7041 - Archéologies environnementales - Maison de l'Archéologie et de l'Ethnologie, Nanterre 7044 « Archéologie et Histoire ancienne : Méditerranée-Europe » - Maison interuniversitaire des sciences de l’Homme Alsace, Strasbourg Tél : 06 70 00 04 44 - [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 11 rue Jean-François Champollion - F-67600 SELESTAT ________________________________ De : Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [[log in to unmask]] de la part de Stallibrass, Sue [[log in to unmask]] Date d'envoi : vendredi 22 mars 2019 11:00 À : [log in to unmask] Objet : Re: [ZOOARCH] fostering and skinning lambs Watching Countryfile recently, Adam Henson fostered a triplet onto a ewe who had one lamb. He already knew that she was pregnant with one not two lambs and should be able to foster an extra one. He used a plastic bucket: one of those soft wide flexible buckets with two handles like a wide shopping bag or laundry carrier, and delivered the ewe's one lamb directly into the soft container, immediately followed by the birth waters. He then swiftly put the triplet in with the newborn lamb and birth waters and sloshed them round together like two infants in a bath, making sure that he rubbed the birth waters into and all over the coat of the triplet. I hadn't heard of the need for the foster lamb to smell not just like the 'missing' lamb but to smell of the mother before, but this accords with what Louisa was saying about the dead lamb having to smell of its mothers mik. Which would preclude the use of a stillborn's skin. I dont know how widespread this practice is or was- certainly easier and quicker than skinning a dead lamb and also means that you don't have to kill an orphan (though I agree with Louisa- astrakhan etc was valued). But it does depend on two things: having the ewes all close together when lambing so that you can quickly move one live orphan to another birthing ewe and this is most lkely to occur in an enclosed space: lambing pen, shed etc rather than out on the hill/commonland/marshes etc, and being prepared with the simple item of a suitable watertight container (probably very easy- all sorts of leather/skin/bark available) interesting thread (like the let-down controversey of milking with or without the calf present) bw Sue ________________________________ From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of GIDNEY, LOUISA J. <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 21 March 2019 23:29:35 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] fostering and skinning lambs This is an interesting point and I think a couple of factors may be involved. For medieval sheep, the lambing percentage is often estimated at less than 100%, ie not every ewe will have had a lamb so few spare lambs that needed fostering, ewes were milked, infant lamb skins had a trade value, think of astrakhan, with 'budge' being imported from Spain. A ewe with a dead lamb might therefore have gone into the milking group and an orphan lamb might have been knocked on the head for its skin. Once the 18th century improvers developed sheep that had multiple births and needed help with delivery, there is the potential for fostering on orphan or triplet lambs to ewes who had lost theirs. The incentive being that the future carcase becomes the source of profit, not the wool or the milk and the expectation rises to have two rather than one lamb for every ewe, increasing the possibility for lambing problems and mortalities. I have tried skinning a lamb to put the skin on a foster lamb but with limited success. The ewe sniffs the anal area and recognises the smell of her milk passing through, so the lamb needs to have fed from her to have a chance of being accepted. One of the greatest innovations of the late C20th was the development of powdered colostrum for orphan or weakly lambs. ________________________________ From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Günther Karl Kunst <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 21 March 2019 11:31:23 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] fostering and skinning lambs Dear Lee, perinatal cattle bones known from Pictish site Tingwall/Shetland (BAR BS 592; fig. 142), but related rather to butchery/consumption, not skinning best wishes Karl Am 21.03.2019 um 10:58 schrieb Lee Broderick: > Dear all, > > After come conversations at the recent PZG meeting, I'm interested in finding any references to skinning new-born lambs or the practical processes of fostering lambs in historic and classical texts. It's generally assumed that this is an ancient practice but I'm finding it difficult to pin down just how ancient this is. > > For the same reason, I'd be interested to hear of any sites where perinatal caprine or cattle bones have been found with cutmarks - particularly those which might be associated with skinning. I'm particularly looking at British sites but at this point I'd welcome examples from anywhere in the world. > > Best regards, > > Lee G. Broderick, MSc, MA, FZS. > Zooarchaeologist > Oxford Archaeology Ltd. > +44 (0)1865 980775 > www.oxfordarchaeology.com<http://www.oxfordarchaeology.com> > > This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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