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Also important to recognise that Laura is using the language of ‘using chest-feeding *alongside* breastfeeding,’ while the blog seems to be substituting chest-feeding in place of breastfeeding because it is felt to be ‘more inclusive’ and having to hear the word breastfeeding might be triggering for men or non-binary people who breastfeed.

We should all be striving to offer individualised care for childbearing people which acknowledges, personally and in group work, the way they experience the world and themselves. Including the word chest-feeding alongside breastfeeding is possible when you have a relationship with the people you care for and know what is important to them. Some women who are not gender-fluid feel uncomfortable talking about breasts as well. And some women do not use English words to describe themselves at all.

But it is also worth considering that substituting the language that most women use to describe their bodies with language that men feel more comfortable with may also be triggering for many women who have felt persistently erased so that men feel more comfortable … That is kind of the history of feminism.

Blog: Can “mothering” be gender-neutral? https://breechbirth.org.uk/2017/10/29/can-mothering-be-gender-neutral/


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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:18:41 +0000
From:    Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Hi Ruth,
I found this useful blog which articulates why we might use chest-feeding alongside breastfeeding
https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.romper.com%2Fp%2F9-reasons-why-i-call-it-chestfeeding-you-should-too-31215&amp;data=01%7C01%7CShawn.Walker%40KCL.AC.UK%7C3423f098d9be4fd28ca808d68fb44d07%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&amp;sdata=7v7lZkWlIheNWvjlK%2Fke72%2Fh29zXuRcWQiuLzfBFi%2FI%3D&amp;reserved=0
I hope you find it helpful
Best wishes,
Laura
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On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:17, Ruth Martis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Interesting blog, thank you. Though why chest feeding when the baby is
feeding from the breast? Men and women both have breasts, so I am not sure
why breastfeeding is not gender inclusive. Would love to have a discussion
around this. Thank you Ruth



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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:19:40 +0000
From:    Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Dear Thelma
Thats great, please let me know how it goes - also if you can share the blog and also point people to the Oxytocin event on 9th March at King’s, that would be much appreciated
Best wishes,
Laura
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On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:01, Thelma Lackey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thank you Laura for this amazing article... I seen this yesterday and have already earmarked to incorporate into a session on the language we use in midwifery that I am facilitating with 3rd year student midwives on Tuesday.  A very useful 'prompt' for all to use to open the discussion in education.

Thank you again!

Best wishes
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Dear colleagues,
I wanted to share a blog I have just posted about gender inclusive language in Maternity on the Birth, Art & Culture space on All4maternity - Pls share.

The event, Oxytocin at King’s College London on 9th March will include a panel further exploring the issues
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'More than ever young people self-define as gender fluid. This means they may not identify as being either male or female, but non-binary or as either at different times. In addition, people may be Trans, so their sex at birth and their identified gender are different, but they may need to access healthcare associated with their sex.
It is our professional responsibility, as healthcare professionals, to inform ourselves and act respectfully towards people who have these identities, and ensure they have access to healthcare without discrimination or abuse.'

Thanks
Best wishes
Laura
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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:04 +0000
From:    Katherine Hales <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

It seems unnecessarily divisive and confusing to use chestfeeding - why not
"nursing" as in US practice, a completely ungendered word?




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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 10:18 Ruth Martis <[log in to unmask] wrote:

Interesting blog, thank you. Though why chest feeding when the baby is
feeding from the breast? Men and women both have breasts, so I am not sure
why breastfeeding is not gender inclusive. Would love to have a discussion
around this. Thank you Ruth



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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:07:40 +0000
From:    "McCourt, Christine" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

I agree with Katherine on this point and I don’t see why any people – trans or otherwise – should feel belittled or excluded by use of the word breast. It is a hard enough road already for breastfeeding to be accepted and supported culturally.


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Date: Sunday, 10 February 2019 at 15:56
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

It seems unnecessarily divisive and confusing to use chestfeeding - why not "nursing" as in US practice, a completely ungendered word?



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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 10:18 Ruth Martis <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Interesting blog, thank you. Though why chest feeding when the baby is
feeding from the breast? Men and women both have breasts, so I am not sure
why breastfeeding is not gender inclusive. Would love to have a discussion
around this. Thank you Ruth



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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:30:56 +0000
From:    "Briley, Annette" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

I agree too. Breast cancer occurs in all genders, so why not breast feeding?


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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 16:35:01 +0000
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Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Consulting with a Trans Man about this it is clear that ‘breasts’ are some of the parts of the body that are at odds with their identified gender, therefore breastfeeding is also associated with the female gender in a way which is not acceptable. Tans Men have chest or top surgery to remove breasts, and if they retain breasts may bind them so that they are not visible.

Perhaps nursing is also a good more neutral term.

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I agree too. Breast cancer occurs in all genders, so why not breast feeding?


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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:20:44 +0000
From:    Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Interesting proposal Laura: I think nursing has interesting connotations, but they might not suit all. I also agree with others that not using the term breastfeeding (or indeed pregnant woman or whatever) undermines years of struggle for certain groups of people: and not least the vast majority of the pregnant population, who feel pride in their identity as a pregnant woman, and who would like their breasts to be acknowledged as a means of feeding and nuturing their infant.  As ever in these kinds of debates surely the most important thing is to ask each individual what terminology works for them, and not to insist on any specific term to cover everyone?


All the best


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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:52:03 +0000
From:    Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Hi Soo,
I never suggested removing the use of women or breastfeeding in the blog, but to use gender inclusive language as additions I.e women and pregnant people as an example. If there is no use of inclusive language then the growing population of gender non-confirming people, feel excluded and not acknowledged
Let me know what you think if you read the blog?
Thanks
Best wishes
Laura

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On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:20, Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Interesting proposal Laura: I think nursing has interesting connotations, but they might not suit all. I also agree with others that not using the term breastfeeding (or indeed pregnant woman or whatever) undermines years of struggle for certain groups of people: and not least the vast majority of the pregnant population, who feel pride in their identity as a pregnant woman, and who would like their breasts to be acknowledged as a means of feeding and nuturing their infant.  As ever in these kinds of debates surely the most important thing is to ask each individual what terminology works for them, and not to insist on any specific term to cover everyone?

All the best

Soo

All the best

Soo


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Consulting with a Trans Man about this it is clear that ‘breasts’ are some of the parts of the body that are at odds with their identified gender, therefore breastfeeding is also associated with the female gender in a way which is not acceptable. Tans Men have chest or top surgery to remove breasts, and if they retain breasts may bind them so that they are not visible.

Perhaps nursing is also a good more neutral term.

Thanks for your comments
Best wishes,
Laura
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On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:30, Briley, Annette <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I agree too. Breast cancer occurs in all genders, so why not breast feeding?


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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 18:35:13 +0000
From:    Katherine Hales <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

From what you describe a trans man would be unlikely feel comfortable
breastfeeding anyway - surely they would have to retain female hormonal
states and breasts so that the physical act of breastfeeding would be
deeply repugnant if their female biology was a source of such deep distress.

If a trans man had taken androgenic hormones to cause physical changes to
occur it would I believe depend on the timing and duration of such
treatments how possible a return to female fertility and function would be?
Would there be any potential for tertrogenesis to the developing foetus if
conceived or any reduction in potential for sufficient lactation. If no
chemical or surgical transition has occurred then none of these apply but
breast binding over time may damage breast tissue and milk ducts perhaps?

I think we desperately need further information on all of these questions
though despite the huge increase in young women identifying as men much
discussed in the media the absolute number of individuals accessing
maternity services at the moment must be small (again an idea of numbers
would be helpful)

Though I reiterate that I would hope that all midwives treat all women
identifying in any way with the same level of compassion and respect, I
believe we must not, as others have said lose sight of the hard won sense
of pride in female strength which gives confidence and self worth to large
numbers of women in birth and motherhood.




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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 17:52 Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <
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Hi Soo,
I never suggested removing the use of women or breastfeeding in the blog,
but to use gender inclusive language as additions I.e women and pregnant
people as an example. If there is no use of inclusive language then the
growing population of gender non-confirming people, feel excluded and not
acknowledged
Let me know what you think if you read the blog?
Thanks
Best wishes
Laura

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On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:20, Soo Downe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Interesting proposal Laura: I think nursing has interesting connotations,
but they might not suit all. I also agree with others that not using the
term breastfeeding (or indeed pregnant woman or whatever) undermines years
of struggle for certain groups of people: and not least the vast majority
of the pregnant population, who feel pride in their identity as a pregnant
woman, and who would like their breasts to be acknowledged as a means of
feeding and nuturing their infant.  As ever in these kinds of debates
surely the most important thing is to ask each individual what terminology
works for them, and not to insist on any specific term to cover everyone?


All the best


Soo


All the best


Soo


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Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask]>
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Consulting with a Trans Man about this it is clear that ‘breasts’ are some
of the parts of the body that are at odds with their identified gender,
therefore breastfeeding is also associated with the female gender in a way
which is not acceptable. Tans Men have chest or top surgery to remove
breasts, and if they retain breasts may bind them so that they are not
visible.

Perhaps nursing is also a good more neutral term.

Thanks for your comments
Best wishes,
Laura
_______________________________
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Artist, Midwife & Birth Activist
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I agree too. Breast cancer occurs in all genders, so why not breast
feeding?


Annette
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Maternal and Fetal Research Unit
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Date:    Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:36:08 +0000
From:    Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

Dear Katherine and Soo,
There is no suggestion that ‘female strength’ or a ‘sense of pride’ is under attack - the issue is to recognise changes in gender identity by many and make sure everyone has access to reproductive and maternity care when they need it.

Here is a sample use of additive gender-neutral language and this is what I was proposing in the blog.
In the Midwives Alliance of America’s (MANA) Position Statement on Gender-Inclusive Language (2015) what is proposed is a recognition of our complex selves, a freeing, for all, from narrow binary definitions and a promotion of access to and justice for all in birth and reproductive care.

‘The same elements that threaten holistic care for pregnant and birthing folks also perpetuate violence against trans, queer and non-gender conforming people. These systems include, but are not limited to, profit-based, industrialized medical care, colonialism, sexism and patriarchy. When gender-nonconforming folks are also people of color, low-income or disabled folks, they disproportionately experience discrimination. As a result, we are committed to promoting the additive use of gender-neutral language in traditionally woman-centric movements (birth and reproductive justice) because doing so disrupts those systems and supports gender liberation.’

Best wishes
Laura
(Sorry for the forwarding message, but I seem to have lost the thread…)

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Date: 10 February 2019 at 18:35:13 GMT
To: "A forum for discussion on midwifery and reproductive health research." <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>, Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: Gender inclusive language in Maternity

From what you describe a trans man would be unlikely feel comfortable breastfeeding anyway - surely they would have to retain female hormonal states and breasts so that the physical act of breastfeeding would be deeply repugnant if their female biology was a source of such deep distress.

If a trans man had taken androgenic hormones to cause physical changes to occur it would I believe depend on the timing and duration of such treatments how possible a return to female fertility and function would be? Would there be any potential for tertrogenesis to the developing foetus if conceived or any reduction in potential for sufficient lactation. If no chemical or surgical transition has occurred then none of these apply but breast binding over time may damage breast tissue and milk ducts perhaps?

I think we desperately need further information on all of these questions though despite the huge increase in young women identifying as men much discussed in the media the absolute number of individuals accessing  maternity services at the moment must be small (again an idea of numbers would be helpful)

Though I reiterate that I would hope that all midwives treat all women identifying in any way with the same level of compassion and respect, I believe we must not, as others have said lose sight of the hard won sense of pride in female strength which gives confidence and self worth to large numbers of women in birth and motherhood.




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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 17:52 Laura Godfrey-Isaacs <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Soo,
I never suggested removing the use of women or breastfeeding in the blog, but to use gender inclusive language as additions I.e women and pregnant people as an example. If there is no use of inclusive language then the growing population of gender non-confirming people, feel excluded and not acknowledged
Let me know what you think if you read the blog?
Thanks
Best wishes
Laura

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On 10 Feb 2019, at 17:20, Soo Downe <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

Interesting proposal Laura: I think nursing has interesting connotations, but they might not suit all. I also agree with others that not using the term breastfeeding (or indeed pregnant woman or whatever) undermines years of struggle for certain groups of people: and not least the vast majority of the pregnant population, who feel pride in their identity as a pregnant woman, and who would like their breasts to be acknowledged as a means of feeding and nuturing their infant.  As ever in these kinds of debates surely the most important thing is to ask each individual what terminology works for them, and not to insist on any specific term to cover everyone?

All the best

Soo

All the best

Soo


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Consulting with a Trans Man about this it is clear that ‘breasts’ are some of the parts of the body that are at odds with their identified gender, therefore breastfeeding is also associated with the female gender in a way which is not acceptable. Tans Men have chest or top surgery to remove breasts, and if they retain breasts may bind them so that they are not visible.

Perhaps nursing is also a good more neutral term.

Thanks for your comments
Best wishes,
Laura
_______________________________
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Artist, Midwife & Birth Activist
Twitter: @godfrey_isaacs
Blog: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.all4maternity.com%2Fcaring%2Fblog%2Fbirth-art-culture%2F&amp;data=01%7C01%7CShawn.Walker%40KCL.AC.UK%7C3423f098d9be4fd28ca808d68fb44d07%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&amp;sdata=IPTksaj23nWO5P8eSB3BdJqBnNNyJoVjKs10k03ISmM%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.all4maternity.com%2Fcaring%2Fblog%2Fbirth-art-culture%2F&amp;data=01%7C01%7CShawn.Walker%40KCL.AC.UK%7C3423f098d9be4fd28ca808d68fb44d07%7C8370cf1416f34c16b83c724071654356%7C0&amp;sdata=IPTksaj23nWO5P8eSB3BdJqBnNNyJoVjKs10k03ISmM%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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I agree too. Breast cancer occurs in all genders, so why not breast feeding?


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