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Dear all, I agree with the proposition that an age-based perception of early career researcher is regressive and potentially even injurious for the science. We need to recognise that many very good PhD’s arise from a change of career choice, and a choice that often brings to the table maturity and experience of many things that young people are yet to perceive. However the only caveat that I have regarding perception of a young career researcher as defined by “time since PhD”, is that in a competitive space such as research, some mature PhD graduates entered their PhD from a background of being a professional research scientist in for example a government agency. They can often have lots of publications, not because they are good scientists, but simply because they have had the opportunity. Therefore perhaps early career researcher should be a discontinued concept, and replaced by the criteria “research record relative to opportunity” I suspect anyone that has sat on an interview panel will have a sense of where I’m coming from in my last comment. martin Professor Martin Hand Department of Earth Sciences University of Adelaide Phone : +61 (0)8 831 36794 Phone : +61 (0)8 831 35324 Mobile: +61 (0)419 314 306 http://www.adelaide.edu.au/geothermal/ http://www.adelaide.edu.au/directory/martin.hand CRICOS Provider Number 00123M ----------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT: This message may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you think it was sent to you by mistake, please delete all copies and advise the sender. For the purposes of the SPAM Act 2003, this email is authorised by The University [RAMONES] From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Jackson, Chris Sent: Friday, 22 February 2019 6:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) Congress | 9th to 13th September 2019 | Berlin, Germany Thanks for the supportive comment Fabio. And I should be clear; my concerns are not directly directed at Sascha, as clearly he personally didn’t come up with the YES acronym. Chris Professor Christopher A-L Jackson Equinor Professor of Basin Analysis Basins Research Group (BRG) Department of Earth Science & Engineering Imperial College LONDON SW7 2BP UK ------------------------------------- Co-founder of EarthArXiv (🌎), a preprint server for the Earth Sciences (www.eartharxiv.org<http://www.eartharxiv.org>) ———————————————— My working day may not be your working day. Please do not feel obliged to reply to this email outside of your normal working hours. On 21 Feb 2019, at 23:38, Fabio Capitanio <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I agree with Chris the name YES is catchy and Sascha's initiative has all my support yet, in the future, we should not use age limits to assess impact of research This is an obvious disadvantage in cases of career interruptions - mostly maternity leave - and longer curricula studiorum Apparently, this is still in use in Europe, while other countries (US, AU for instance) mainly adopt years from phd completion and allow a maximum for interruptions perhaps it is time to rejuvenate the old continent...? fabio A/Prof Fabio A. Capitanio ARC Future Fellow School of Earth, Atmosphere and Environment Monash University http://users.monash.edu.au/~fcapitan/ On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 03:47, Jackson, Chris <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I agree; the term “early career researchers” is used in the email (and elsewhere on their website). I’d still advocate for complete removal of any age-based criteria, and wording along the lines of, “X years post-PhD (full-time equivalent)”… ----------------------------------------------------- Professor Christopher A-L. Jackson Professor of Basin Analysis Basins Research Group (BRG<http://www.basinsresearchgroup.com/>) Department of Earth Science & Engineering Imperial College Prince Consort Road LONDON SW7 2BP UK Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Web: www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson<http://www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson> Twitter: @seis_matters<https://mobile.twitter.com/seis_matters> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-founder of EarthArXiv<https://eartharxiv.org/>, a preprint server and postprint archive for the Earth Sciences From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Christie Rowe, Prof. Sent: 21 February 2019 16:37 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) Congress | 9th to 13th September 2019 | Berlin, Germany Chris is right - but it seems like the YE-S have already taken the inclusive approach to include all researchers "primarily" <35 years of age and also all researchers <10 years past PhD On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 11:32 AM Jackson, Chris <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Indeed… Although I acknowledge and support the value of providing a forum for Early Career Researchers, I question whether age-based criteria are appropriate. Many professional societies/groups have, in recent years, redefined their criteria for their similar 'Early Career' awards, lectures, meetings, etc, recognising that many people have ‘non-linear’ career trajectories, and that imposition of age limits disproportionally discriminate against, for example, women scientists, given they often take on most of the caring responsibility for children. Furthermore, given this looks like a multinational group/meeting, you are surely aware that different countries have different durations of undergraduate and postgraduate education, meaning people obtain certain qualifications at markedly different ages. I would suggest that criteria should be based around time worked, full-time equivalent, post-PhD (or something similar), rather than simply “under X years old”… Thoughts? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Professor Christopher A-L. Jackson Professor of Basin Analysis Basins Research Group (BRG<http://www.basinsresearchgroup.com/>) Department of Earth Science & Engineering Imperial College Prince Consort Road LONDON SW7 2BP UK Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Web: www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson<http://www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson> Twitter: @seis_matters<https://mobile.twitter.com/seis_matters> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-founder of EarthArXiv<https://eartharxiv.org/>, a preprint server and postprint archive for the Earth Sciences From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Jeff Greenberg Sent: 21 February 2019 16:28 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) Congress | 9th to 13th September 2019 | Berlin, Germany Importance: High Be sure to use the correctly punctuated label: Young Earth-Scientists is completely different from Young-Earth Scientists (which refers to pseudo-science and fundamentalist Creationism). JG From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of "Jackson, Chris" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:06 AM To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) Congress | 9th to 13th September 2019 | Berlin, Germany Hi Sascha, Quick question; is there an age-based criteria defining “Young” in “Young Earth Scientist”? Thanks, Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Professor Christopher A-L. Jackson Professor of Basin Analysis Basins Research Group (BRG<http://www.basinsresearchgroup.com/>) Department of Earth Science & Engineering Imperial College Prince Consort Road LONDON SW7 2BP UK Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Web: www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson<http://www.imperial.ac.uk/c.jackson> Twitter: @seis_matters<https://mobile.twitter.com/seis_matters> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-founder of EarthArXiv<https://eartharxiv.org/>, a preprint server and postprint archive for the Earth Sciences From: Tectonics & structural geology discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sascha Brune Sent: 21 February 2019 09:50 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) Congress | 9th to 13th September 2019 | Berlin, Germany Dear colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the Young-Earth-Scientist (YES) congress "Rocking Earth's Future" that will take place from 9th to 13th September 2019 in Berlin, Germany. There will be a number of great sessions and workshops covering a wide range of multidisciplinary geo-themes. Details about the conference are listed below, for more information click here: https://yesdeutschland.weebly.com/yes-congress-2019.html. Abstracts can be submitted through this link: https://www.conftool.com/yes2019/index.php?page=login. Note that the deadline for abstract submission has been extended to Monday 4th of March 2019. Travel support is available if circumstances are justified. For further information, please contact [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>. Kind regards, Sascha Brune Background: The YES Network is an international association of young and early career Earth scientists who are primarily under the age of 35 or are within ten years after graduating form their PhD, and are from universities, geosciences organizations and companies from across the world. The YES Network was formed as a result of the International Year of Planet Earth in 2007. Previous YES Congresses were organized in 2009 in China, 2012 in Australia, 2014 in Tanzania, 2017 in Iran. The Congresses generally focus on climate, environmental and geoscience challenges facing today’s society, as well as career and academic pathway challenges faced by early career geoscientists. Congress Themes: The 5th YES Congress 2019 in Berlin will attempt at “rocking earth’s future” by focusing on six large topical issues: - ASHES TO ASHES - UNDERSTANDING EARTH PROCESSES - UNBOXING EARTH - INTERDISCIPLINARY PROBLEM SOLVING - HERITAGE EARTH - SUSTAINABLE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT - SOCIETY AT RISK - IMPACTING EARTH PHENOMENA - BRAVE NEW WORLD - ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES IN EARTH SCIENCES - BEYOND PRINTING - COMMUNICATING SCIENCE Pre- and Post Congress Workshops / Training Courses / Summer Schools: - SEISMOLOGY FOR NON-SEISMOLOGISTS - LABORATORY ROCK TESTING AND TECTONICS - PUBLICATION OF RESEARCH DATA RELATED TO SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES IN THE GEOSCIENCES - APPLIED GEOCHEMICAL SURVEYS AND GLOBAL GEOCHEMICAL BASELINES - THE LAST MILE - DISASTER RISK MITIGATION, RISK AND EARLY WARNING COMMUNICATION - INTERNATIONAL TRAINING COURSE ON OCEAN BOTTOM AND AMPHIBIAN EXPERIMENT SEISMOLOGICAL DATA - COASTAL HYDROLOGY Sascha Brune Geodynamic Modelling Section GFZ Potsdam, Germany T +49 (0) 331 288 1928<tel:+49%20331%202881928> M [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> W https://www.gfz-potsdam.de/en/staff/sascha-brune/ W https://www.gfz-potsdam.de/wg/crystals W https://scholar.google.de/citations?user=qmD7UkUAAAAJ ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the GEO-TECTONICS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=GEO-TECTONICS&A=1