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Hi Fellows,

I'd really like to emphasize the point in the Buster instructions "be
careful when
examining fo-fc at low levels" when solvent is excluded. If the solvent
contribution
is omitted where you suspect the ligand (e.g. occupancy 0.02 in Refmac),
there 
will be a fo contribution there from the solvent that is there.
Particularly if that solvent is a
dense solution, that fo component will show up nicely and at not so low
difference 
map levels, and in the shape of that 'excluded' ligand. 

Figure 2 in link illustrates that. 
https://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/febs.14320

If you start to fill that void with multiple ligands of various low
occupancies, you
are effectively modelling disordered solvent. This is particularly tempting
because 
I found multiple cases where the classical RSR and RSCC measures give 
acceptable stats for such models. The hunt for low occupancy ligands then
quickly 
becomes murky density fishing business...
  
Best, BR


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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Turning off the bulk solvent modelling in Refmac5 to
generate Polder maps?

Dear Samuel,

On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 11:39:58AM +0000, Samuel Davis (PG Research) wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to turn off the bulk 
> solvent modelling in Refmac5, for the purpose of generating Polder 
> maps? I know that an option for Polder maps is directly implemented in 
> Phenix, but we ideally want to use Refmac5, as we have used it for the 
> rest of our refinement and want to keep it consistent if possible.

And if you want to try the original implementation of the underlying idea as
an alternative, have a look at the ligand detection mode and maps [1]
produced by BUSTER [2]. See also [3] and some early examples of their
usefulness [4-5].

Cheers

Clemens

[1] https://www.globalphasing.com/buster/wiki/index.cgi?LigandDetectionModes
[2] https://www.globalphasing.com/buster/
[3] Vonrhein, C., & Bricogne, G. (2005). "Automated Structure
    Refinement for High-throughput Ligand Detection with
    BUSTER-TNT". Acta Crysta A61, C248.
[4] Thoma, Ralf, et al. "Insight into steroid scaffold formation from
    the structure of human oxidosqualene cyclase." Nature 432.7013
    (2004): 118.
[5] Ekroos, Marika, and Tove Sjogren. "Structural basis for ligand
    promiscuity in cytochrome P450 3A4." Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences 103.37 (2006): 13682-13687.

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