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Rather than do any marking: an abstract from SOCINDEX
Regards
Paul
Journal of Education. 3/ 4/1929, Vol. 109 Issue 9, p266-266. 1p. Abstract: The article reports on the problem of student mortality in
the U.S. which is finally beginning to receive some sustained attention. William Mather Lewis, president of Lafayette College in Pennsylvania, declared that it is important to eliminate the avoidable mortality and
secure more stable student bodies. Two main causes given for the present condition are faulty standards and methods of admission and failure to
adjust the incoming student to his environment.
From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]>
On Behalf Of John Hilsdon
Sent: 07 January 2019 09:27
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Subject: Re: Student Retention Literature (definitely low priority an ignorable)
Thanks Ed and all
Fascinating discussion … how things are named yields insights into the underlying values and motives of those controlling the terminology … Remember
the dreadful “attrition” … that always reminded me of the descriptions of trench warfare.
Yorke uses the relatively positive word “persistence” …. at least agency there is located with the students …
V best
John
From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]>
On Behalf Of Foster, Ed
Sent: 07 January 2019 09:18
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Subject: Re: Student Retention Literature (definitely low priority an ignorable)
Phrase of the day :)
I think I’ve read it before. I think there’s a whole chapter on it in Upcraft and Gardner. I must find my copy to see what other horrors are there.
So
Student mortality
Becomes
Student drop out (man)
Becomes
Student retention
It’s political correctness gone mad I tell you!!!
Anyone want to start the ‘Freshman’ word trail?
Ed
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On 7 Jan 2019, at 00:23, Alistair McCulloch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi all
Happy New year from the Antipodes!!
I know what you mean about the use of "(insert topic of your choice here) has become an increasingly important agenda recently" in papers/articles. I always like to see some references so I can be sure it really is ‘recent’.
On the issue of the literature on the issue, the earliest I’ve come across is one from the US with an interesting take on the naming of the concept. We now use ‘student retention’. This piece uses the somewhat more brutal ‘student mortality’!!
The full reference is McNeely, J. H. (1938). College Student Mortality, US Govt. Printing Office, Washington, DC. You can find a copy here: https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/ttu-ir/bitstream/handle/2346/61867/ttu_be0001_000741.pdf?sequence=1
Cheers
Alistair
From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Foster, Ed
Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019 9:08 AM
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Subject: Re: Student Retention Literature (definitely low priority an ignorable)
Hi Pauline
I wouldn't dispute the current importance for a moment. The cost of failing in the UK in 1997 (If I remember correctly) was about £1,000 tuition fees & loan of up to £3,000-ish. It seems like a relatively carefree time to look back on (now I know I'm getting old) compared to now.
In our first year survey, we ask a question about doubting (have you ever considered dropping out from your course?). We had the fewest doubters immediately prior to the introduction of the much higher fees. They could see the personal consequence of dropping out and then studying under the higher fee regime. The year of new fees doubting sky rocketed
I do worry about UK student indebtedness, but I feel that for my entire time in HE, we've been discussing students as customers/ partners/ consumers and higher costs/ jeopardy don't help that at all. I think unfortunately we have to play with the hand that we've got.
Ed
From: Pauline Ridley <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 06 January 2019 22:25:26
To: Foster, Ed
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Subject: Re: Student Retention Literature (definitely low priority an ignorable)
Hi Ed - I’ll leave others more qualified to respond re research literature but my immediate take on this is that student retention as an increasingly urgent agenda issue within HE has been driven by the policy/ funding landscape - and I wouldn’t necessarily expect there to be a direct correlation with research on the topic, when VCs and politicians are looking for quick fixes rather than a more nuanced understanding of the underlying issues?
Best wishes
Pauline
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On 6 Jan 2019, at 22:12, Foster, Ed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Dear all
I'm working my way through a paper (woo) on improving student retention and I keep coming across phrases such as "student retention has become an increasingly important agenda recently". I'm having a slightly twitchy reaction to this (I think it's because I'm getting old) because it's just not true.
So
I reckon that the first significant studies into retention/ students success are:
UK - Yorke et al & Ozga & Sukhnandan (1997) Undergraduate non-completion in higher education in England
USA - Tinto (1975) (although I think most people have only read the 1993 book (miaow))
I've blogged it, but am I miles out? Are there really important antecedents that I'm missing?
And
- Anyone from a country not mentioned got thoughts on early work in your own national context?
- Any thoughts on significant studies/ reports/ edited books (published in 2010 or otherwise)?
Best wishes and happy new year
Ed
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