It's not just the potential impact on the flow of ESL students, there's also the impact on funding for our own jobs in ESOL, for the facilities and necessary materials. See Birmingham City Council's very recent "Brexit Commission" report (screenshot attached of an extract from a council article about this new report). 
Regards,
Philippa 




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Date: 08/12/2018 09:56 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: ESOL-RESEARCH Digest - 6 Dec 2018 (#2018-276)

This is not a political forum to throw political opinions at each other - there are more than enough spaces for that on the rest of the internet. This space is, of course, a forum to discuss the impact of said politics. This has so far been a bit lacklustre. So, let’s open up some discussion about possible impacts of Brexit. 

What we do know is that exiting the European Union will have some kind of impact. What that impact is isn’t clear, so that is what we need to analyse. Impact analyses from the government have been negative in varying degrees in all exit scenarios. Therefore, we should be looking at the areas which could be affected, analysing how much or how little the impact could be and discussing ways to limit the negative impact on our learners and our businesses/charities. 

My concerns include the impact on funding and eligibility to funding. For example, if I have EU learners who currently receive subsidised places on AEB courses, will they continue to get this after March 2019 or will this cease? Or will they continue to receive it during the transition period and then cease after that time? If their eligibility does cease, are we going to have to charge them the full price we currently charge non-EU/non-EEA citizens? This will potentially affect the number of students because many may no be willing or able to pay 3x their current fee. 

Another concern is whether learners will want to come to the U.K. at all. If so much of the rhetoric is about putting up borders and there is a demonstrable increase in racially-motivated crime, will new learners want to come here and will current ones want to stay?

I’m sure others have different concerns from mine, so any additions to the above examples would be interesting to consider. I would appreciate actual analysis of these issues with any evidence-based solutions or suggestions. 

Thanks,
Jasmine

Jasmine Lawrence Valdivieso 
MA TESOL, BEng (Hons)
Course Leader - ESOL
Thurrock Adult Community College 



On 8 Dec 2018, at 04:31, David Thornton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I think you are being a little prissy ... there is nothing about 'professionalism' that stops a professional expressing his views when the topic so onbviours imapcts on the 'profession.. And [in my view] this forum has insufficient debate of significant matters. Perhaps you should learn to live with it ...

ATB,

David.

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:03 AM Paul Watkins <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Chris

Whilst I fully respect your respect your right to hold these opinions I would suggest that this forum is not the place to be citing such politically loaded slogans as 'taking back control' and 'Independence, freedom'.
As professionals we must surely try to find a common and positive response to Brexit whilst trying not to aggravate and provoke those who hold different political opinions from ourselves. It is a challenge but I am sure we can succeed!

Paul Watkins
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I am amazed to hear that so many people, from all walks of life, are convinced already that taking back control of our future and not leaving it to be decided by the rest of Europe, will be detrimental. "Independence, Freedom." Not even the government knows how it's going to work in practise yet. 

All the talk is negative, all the time, no optimism from anyone. 

If I may be allowed my own personal moan;
It was never going to work in the first place!  Both the government and the opposition wanted to stay in the EU. It was left to politicians, who never wanted to leave, to negotiate leaving. We should have had a coalition of those who believed that leaving was the best policy, to negotiate. It is the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a bad deal, say it's this deal or nothing,  and hold the country to ransom by saying "if you don't accept this deal, we will have to remain in the EU. It happens all the time in all walks of life. Merry Christmas to one and all. 


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Date:    Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:22:59 +0000
From:    Shaun Gurmin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

I am surprised by some of the comments in this discussion by those who seem to think they can predict the future: where did you study your teaching degree?

I agree with Laila that it is best to wait and see. Things are almost certainly going to change, but it does not mean for the better or for the worse. Some things lost could result in some things gained.  ¡Que será, será!

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From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Samuel Hyman <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:31:04 PM
Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

Nobody knows what's going to happen?!
Perhaps it's best to read that Article 50 you keep hearing about. It's less than one side of A4...only 5 paragraphs.

Paragraph 3 states the treaties shall cease to apply. People need to realise this means it will affect all industries including the EFL one.

What we don't know is which direction the government will take us - without a WA or remain in the EU. What we do know is that leaving will be catastrophic to the UK, and to stay on topic, will affect the EFL industry too.

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Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

Wow! Very interesting..

Many thanks


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Subject: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

Very interesting Tweet - a question I haven't seen asked:


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Date:    Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:48:39 +0000
From:    lindy o'halloran <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

We have already noticed a big decline in the number of au pairs coming to Hertfordshire. Some of our EFL classes are under threat as a result as this is our main market (not overseas students). The few au pairs who are here at present say it is because of the uncertainty over what will actually happen in March – they all know people who didn’t want to commit to a year abroad in the UK if the rules were going to change halfway through, or if there was likely to be chaos.
Anecdotally, many have gone to Ireland instead this year.

Linda

From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Laila El-Metoui
Sent: 06 December 2018 06:10
Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

Ireland also has an EFL industry which might benefit from Brexit.
It would depend on the cost of the visa and length of application process.
No need to worry just yet
No one knows what’s going on or what will happen.
As a French national, I’ve been in london for 29 years now, I’m waiting to see what will actually happen before worrying.
It keeps on changing so let’s wait , continue to campaign, lobby and pressurise the government and hope for a positive outcome 🤞🏽

Laila El-Metoui

LGBT Education Consultant & Teacher Educator




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On 5 Dec 2018, at 23:06, Sundas Ameer <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
if any visa requirement will be introduced then it may discourage a good number of Europeans to come to the UK for studying English. As an academic manager of a small language centre in Preston I am worried how it will affect the numbers in 2019.




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I don't think people are going to stop learning English after Brexit.

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Very interesting Tweet - a question I haven't seen asked:


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