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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religionNot an exact parallel but it's in the regulations for the daily worship of the almshouse at Ewelme - which assumed that at least some of the almsmen would be able to manage a range of Latin prayers. They were expected to say the Matins of Our Lady and even to read at the Master’s direction. Those who could not recite Matins were to say the basic elements of lay instruction, the Paternoster, Ave and Creed, in set cycles of repetition (this is in John A. A. Goodall, God’s House at Ewelme: life, devotion and architecture in a fifteenth-century almshouse (Aldershot: Ashgate, 2001), 146, 148, 234)
might be parallels in regulations for other big charitable foundations
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On 15/11/2018 05:26, Paul Chandler wrote:
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I'm corresponding with a colleague who is writing on the Carmelite Rule ("formula vitae" between 1206 and 1214, "regula bullata" revised lightly and approved by Innocent IV in 1247).********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religionHe is unimpressed with the provision in par. 11 which provides for hermits who are literate to recite the canonical hours "with the clerics", and for those who are not to substitute Pater nosters (50 for Vigils, 15 for Vespers, 7 for each of the other hours -- he calls it "a legislative mess" from which no good could come. However, it seems to me a natural resolution of the situation of a community which contained both literate and illiterate members. I remember something very similar for the contemporaneous hermits of Giovanni Bono in central Italy. Giovanni himself, being illiterate, never attended the Office in church, but performed his own prayers and prostrations before an icon in his cell, opening a window so he could hear the chant from the church (it's somewhere in the lengthy acta of his canonisation process, but I can't find the reference now). Interestingly, the Carmelite Rule does not actually specify whether the Office should be said in church or in the cell.I seem to recall that Peter Damien expected his hermits to learn the entire Psalter by heart, even if they were otherwise illiterate, but I can't find that reference either.
Does anyone know of bibliography on the use of Pater nosters as a substitute for the canonical hours in the 12th-13th centuries? Or distinctions made between literate and non-literate religious?Very grateful for any pointers. -- Paul
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