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Thanks to all who contributed! It´s clear that the event I described was meant as an argument for Guğmundr's sanctity. There were other similar stories, and if anyone knows of an organization that will fund translation of the saga about him (B version, the one with all the miracles) please let me know! A diplomatic text should be out by the end of this year. It had just suddenly occurred to me that if the washing had something specific to do with the liturgy (another example is explicitly connected to water that has been used at Mass on Palm Sunday) I should include this in my account. Looks like the answer to my original query was a resounding 'no', so I am leaving what I have written (in a forthcoming article) as is. When the article comes forth, I will be happy to let anyone interested know. Don´t hold your breath, though, it will be a while.
The Icelanders never did manage to get Guğmundr canonized, but he was locally venerated as a saint in his former diocese, Hólar. Like so many other 'unofficial' saints who never received papal canonization, if it was believed that they could perform miracles, people didn´t worry about what the pope thought when they were choosing an intercessor - what mattered was whether the person was thought to be able to deal with their problem, whatever it was. What kind of dirt? Who knows. He wouldn´t have been working in the fields, but there are all kinds of ways to get one's hands dirty, including eating, blessing people by touching their heads, and just plain travelling across dry areas (and Guğmundr travelled a lot).
A good weekend to everyone,medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religionOn Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:04, Richard Legault <[log in to unmask]> wrote:.... Using it to effect a miraculous cure, without having invoked the name of the Lord would make Guğmundr's miraculous cure some sort of diabolical black magic, no?No. There are abundant stories of using a relic of a saint--body parts, items of clothing, brandea (contact relics)--including even of living saints, to effect a miraculous cure, without invocations, and much less without any mention of diabolical black magic. -- Paul
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