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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Speak for yourself, Kurt. See (e.g.): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%B0mundur_Steinn_Gunnarsson https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gudmundur_Frimannsson http://www.rg.is/en/about-us/board-members/gudmundur-thoroddsson https://www.beenverified.com/people/gudmundur-sigurdsson/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/gudmundur-atlason-000a0011/ I'm guessing that Meg's "priest Guğmundr" is the well known Guğmundr Arason, on whom see (e.g.) Joanna A. Skórzewska, _Constructing a Cult: The Life and Veneration of Guğmundr Arason (1161–1237) in the Icelandic Written Sources_. (The Northern World 51.) Leiden: Brill, 2011. also: http://www.medievalists.net/2011/07/the-miraculuous-water-of-gu%C3%B0mundr-arason-and-the-limits-of-holiness-in-medieval-iceland/ Best, John Dillon ________________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Kurt Sherry <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 2:26:44 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] washing hands before confession medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture It's a shame people don't name their kids Guğmundr anymore, by the way. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kurt Sherry <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: The water was colored by them? I wonder if that just indicates that there was a lot of dirt that came off (like if he had been out working his fields or something beforehand). On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:56 AM Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Paul and others, it is indeed a miracle story, written in the early 14th c. We are told that before hearing confession, the priest Guğmundr washed his hands so that the water was colored by them (!). The water was used in a cure. It seems to be just a casual hand-washing, I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything. Meg ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Paul Chandler <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 3:50 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] washing hands before confession medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Meg, could you tell us more about the account you have of the priest washing his hands before confessions? Where? When? A miracle story? A confessor's manual? A ritual book of some kind? Otherwise it is pretty hard to process a general inquiry like this across centuries of religious praxis. I presume that your question relates to the Middle Ages, so references to 21st-century practices are unlikely to be relevant unless there is some reason to posit detailed continuity of practice. A quick glance at the footnotes of the 2011 Vatican document Sussidio_per_Confessori<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clerus.org%2Fclerus%2Fdati%2F2011-05%2F20-13%2FSussidio_per_Confessori_en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb14f99de17ba4274bf3708d62e8546d9%7Ce285d438dbba4a4c941c593ba422deac%7C0%7C0%7C636747547294676564&sdata=WBBfBztOGhIrE8D2guxVe%2FU3wkmIRyMRv1ZUb0zSLgs%3D&reserved=0> mentioned below shows that, except for a couple of notes referring to Vatican II, none pre-date the papacy of John Paul II, so it is extremely unlikely to provide useful historical information about anything much. For what it's worth, I've never heard of what you mention. Possibly you could try looking at Dictionnaire d'archéologie chrétienne et de liturgie under some likely key-words such as laver, lavabo, penitence, mains, purification, and so on, but it would be laborious and the volumes (at Gallica and elsewhere) are frustrating to access systematically online. -- Paul On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 00:08, Cormack, Margaret Jean <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Greetings all, I am wondering whether there was a liturgical reason (or requirement) for a priest to wash his hands before the sacrament of confession (i.e. others are confessing to him)? I have an account of a priest doing so, and the water used performs a cure. He washes his hands before the confession, though, not afterwards. 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