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So, scientists can produce beauty. Scientists can appreciate beauty. Scientists can talk beautifully about beauty. Scientists can talk scientifically about beauty. Why would scientists couldn’t claim to say something true about beauty ? Philippe Gauthier, D. Sociologie Professeur agrégé Directeur, groupe design ∩ société www.gds.umontreal.ca <http://www.gds.umontreal.ca/> Université de Montréal École de design Faculté de l'aménagement Case Postale 6128, succursale Centre-Ville Montréal (Québec) CANADA H3C 3J7 Téléphone : (514) 343-6138 Télécopieur : (514) 343-5694 > Le 11 sept. 2018 à 10:12, Richard Herriott <[log in to unmask]> a écrit : > > Meredith Davis posted reference to the work of > Felice Frankel - MIT and Harvard research scientist > who takes very good photographs of natural phenomena. > > I think as an artist Felice Frankel is only adding to the number of phenomena we might find beautiful. > She is acting as an artist in making things of beauty. I don´t think she is addressing beauty. > > The phenomenon of beauty is something of an uncrackable nut for science of any sort. It doesn´t mean we can´t discuss it from loads of angles. It is not reducible to anything else and can only be translated into other terms: > > The phenomenon into words about the phenomenon (no beauty in those words) > The phenomenon into art about the phenomenon (representation which might be beautiful and show a beautiful thing). > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Meredith Davis > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:54 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: A Scientist Speaks on Beauty > > Felice Frankel - MIT and Harvard research scientist, author of Picturing Science and Engineering, and founder of image and meaning workshops. > > > > > > > >> On Sep 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Richard Herriott <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Scientists and beauty: my view is that natural science is not very well equipped to deal with the subjective phenomenon of beauty. It can investigate brain states and look at things. Researchers can analyse phenomena found to be beautiful. Scientists are naturally able to say what they find beautiful and indeed may say that there is beauty in mathematics and theories. When they do that they no different than anyone else saying "wow", me included. >> >> I spend a lot of time teaching students the value of natural science. We need more of it in design and design reseach. I do not think however science is much good at saying anything about the subjective experience of beauty and (punchline!) nor indeed is design research of any type very good at this either. >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD >> studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------