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Juan thanks again for sending this excellent summary for people like me with poor time management but wanting to know the truth about what’s happening. I will send this to our undergrads and post grad trainees. *‘But we need a Cochane without business, neither links to industry and corporations’* It’s like my favourite song by John Lenon Imagine - there’s no heaven, no countries, all the people living.... We can and must dream....but will it ever happen? Cochrane Collaboration is another business organisation in this world..... *All we can do is to be watchful of any evidence for own own sake and our patients....* *KM * On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 at 2:34 am, Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > -i have great experience of surviving to lynching in Twitter without > losing my calm > -new knolewdge is usually choking as for example, voluntary abortion at > home (with appropiate medication under prescription of primary care workers) > -but coming back to the topic; > > *After the #CochranceForAll colloquium...business as usual.But we need a > Cochane without business, neither links to industry and corporations > (private/public)* > https://davidhealy.org/cochrane-cock-up/ > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > El mar., 18 sept. 2018 a las 21:24, McCormack, James (< > [log in to unmask]>) escribió: > >> Hi Vasiliy: Thanks for your comments - none of this has to do with >> whistle-blowers and respecting their courage etc. In fact I am not in >> anyway, shape or form suggesting quietness - I have spent my entire career >> NOT being silent and trying my best to disseminate far and wide balanced >> synopses of the best available evidence. >> >> I am also NOT saying that drug companies/governments etc should NOT be >> called out for their inappropriate actions -of course they should but we >> should focus strictly on the evidence for those violations and not be so >> verbally aggressive. >> >> My point was that I see too many people on the "against the drug >> companies, against the regulators, against the specialists” side using >> terminology and fear mongering that they would have found reprehensible if >> it was on the other side. For instance, I know I struggle when I hearing >> marketing such as "we are fighting the war against heart disease” or “the >> war against the silent killer” etc. I also know there are very many, very >> good people working very hard and very honestly in the FDA, the drug >> companies etc. >> >> I guess my issue is with the dare I say hypocrisy of the tone of the >> message - and at least for me it actually dilutes the message rather than >> strengthens it because the aggression makes me wonder if a person's >> judgement has been clouded. >> >> But I am also not naive enough to know this sort of aggressive language >> can be somewhat effective for both sides - look at what goes on everyday in >> US politics - I just think as academics we should rise above that as much >> as possible - and I‘m not saying I haven’t fallen into that sort of >> hypocrisy at times as well. >> >> Personally, I believe we can be very effective by not attacking - in the >> weekly medical podcast I do called the Best Science Medicine podcast, Mike >> Allan (my cohost) and I have an unwritten policy that we don’t attack >> issues or people but rather try to explain the issues and the evidence and >> poke fun at ourselves and others along the way - our podcast has become one >> of the most popular medical podcasts worldwide with 10,000s of listeners >> every week. I think part of the success is our attitude. >> >> Finally, I think if we are in general polite (as much as possible) more >> people will listen to the important messages we all have. Most importantly >> it gives us more time and energy to debate the issues rather than debate >> the antics. >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Vasiliy Vlassov <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> With all due respect >> >> to the call for the quietness and politeness, I remind that usually and >> probably only passionate people act against the misconduct and/or immoral >> behaviors. The silent/polite majority all the times enjoy the fruits of the >> actions of whistle blowers et al. Academic people have to educate their >> self about the hard price paid by the whistle blowers in academic world. It >> is enough to protect such people and respect their courage, even if they >> disturb the dead silence of the lab. >> >> VVV >> >> On 2018-09-17 17:48, Bill Cayley, Jr wrote: >> >> I appreciate Jim McCormack's thoughts... Evidence based medicine needs to >> be about discussion of the EVIDENCE. Clearly personal feeling and >> perspectives come into play in ANY interpretation of information >> (scientific evidence included) but for the good of all we need to aim for >> clear, transparent, and (hopefully) dispassionate discussion of the merits >> of evidence... >> >> Tx >> >> >> Bill Cayley, Jr, MD MDiv >> [log in to unmask] >> *[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> * >> *http://twitter.com/bcayley <http://twitter.com/bcayley> * >> Work: 715.286.2270 >> Pager: 715.838.7940 >> Mobile: 715.828.4636 >> >> * A cheerful heart is good medicine... (Proverbs 17:22) * >> >> >> -- >> \/.\/.\/. >> >> Vasiliy V. Vlassov, MD >> President, Society for Evidence Based Medicine, osdm.org >> Professor, National Research University Higher School of Economics >> e-mail: vlassov[a t]cochrane.ru >> Web page https://www.hse.ru/en/org/persons/14527416 >> snail mail: P.O.Box 13 Moscow 109451 Russia >> Phone Russia +7(965)2511021 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following >> link: >> >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following >> link: >> >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following > link: > > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 > -- *Dr. Kumara Mendis* MBBS, DFM, MD (Family Medicine), MSc (Medical Informatics), FCGP, FACHI *Board Certified Specialist in Family Medicine* *SLMC Reg. 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