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-i have great experience of surviving to lynching in Twitter without losing my calm -new knolewdge is usually choking as for example, voluntary abortion at home (with appropiate medication under prescription of primary care workers) -but coming back to the topic; *After the #CochranceForAll colloquium...business as usual.But we need a Cochane without business, neither links to industry and corporations (private/public)* https://davidhealy.org/cochrane-cock-up/ -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas El mar., 18 sept. 2018 a las 21:24, McCormack, James (< [log in to unmask]>) escribió: > Hi Vasiliy: Thanks for your comments - none of this has to do with > whistle-blowers and respecting their courage etc. In fact I am not in > anyway, shape or form suggesting quietness - I have spent my entire career > NOT being silent and trying my best to disseminate far and wide balanced > synopses of the best available evidence. > > I am also NOT saying that drug companies/governments etc should NOT be > called out for their inappropriate actions -of course they should but we > should focus strictly on the evidence for those violations and not be so > verbally aggressive. > > My point was that I see too many people on the "against the drug > companies, against the regulators, against the specialists” side using > terminology and fear mongering that they would have found reprehensible if > it was on the other side. For instance, I know I struggle when I hearing > marketing such as "we are fighting the war against heart disease” or “the > war against the silent killer” etc. I also know there are very many, very > good people working very hard and very honestly in the FDA, the drug > companies etc. > > I guess my issue is with the dare I say hypocrisy of the tone of the > message - and at least for me it actually dilutes the message rather than > strengthens it because the aggression makes me wonder if a person's > judgement has been clouded. > > But I am also not naive enough to know this sort of aggressive language > can be somewhat effective for both sides - look at what goes on everyday in > US politics - I just think as academics we should rise above that as much > as possible - and I‘m not saying I haven’t fallen into that sort of > hypocrisy at times as well. > > Personally, I believe we can be very effective by not attacking - in the > weekly medical podcast I do called the Best Science Medicine podcast, Mike > Allan (my cohost) and I have an unwritten policy that we don’t attack > issues or people but rather try to explain the issues and the evidence and > poke fun at ourselves and others along the way - our podcast has become one > of the most popular medical podcasts worldwide with 10,000s of listeners > every week. I think part of the success is our attitude. > > Finally, I think if we are in general polite (as much as possible) more > people will listen to the important messages we all have. Most importantly > it gives us more time and energy to debate the issues rather than debate > the antics. > > > James > > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Vasiliy Vlassov <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > With all due respect > > to the call for the quietness and politeness, I remind that usually and > probably only passionate people act against the misconduct and/or immoral > behaviors. The silent/polite majority all the times enjoy the fruits of the > actions of whistle blowers et al. Academic people have to educate their > self about the hard price paid by the whistle blowers in academic world. It > is enough to protect such people and respect their courage, even if they > disturb the dead silence of the lab. > > VVV > > On 2018-09-17 17:48, Bill Cayley, Jr wrote: > > I appreciate Jim McCormack's thoughts... Evidence based medicine needs to > be about discussion of the EVIDENCE. Clearly personal feeling and > perspectives come into play in ANY interpretation of information > (scientific evidence included) but for the good of all we need to aim for > clear, transparent, and (hopefully) dispassionate discussion of the merits > of evidence... > > Tx > > > Bill Cayley, Jr, MD MDiv > [log in to unmask] > *[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> * > *http://twitter.com/bcayley <http://twitter.com/bcayley> * > Work: 715.286.2270 > Pager: 715.838.7940 > Mobile: 715.828.4636 > > * A cheerful heart is good medicine... (Proverbs 17:22) * > > > -- > \/.\/.\/. > > Vasiliy V. Vlassov, MD > President, Society for Evidence Based Medicine, osdm.org > Professor, National Research University Higher School of Economics > e-mail: vlassov[a t]cochrane.ru > Web page https://www.hse.ru/en/org/persons/14527416 > snail mail: P.O.Box 13 Moscow 109451 Russia > Phone Russia +7(965)2511021 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following > link: > > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following > link: > > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1