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* Crisis? What crisis?Cochrane Collaboration is not experiencing a crisis of either morality or democracy. Its brand, now as ever, stands for rigour, independence, and a commitment to using science to achieve high-quality patient care and social justice. We should cut it some slack while it gets its house in order.https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/09/17/trish-greenhalgh-the-cochrane-collaboration-what-crisis/ <https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/09/17/trish-greenhalgh-the-cochrane-collaboration-what-crisis/> * El lun., 17 sept. 2018 a las 16:48, Bill Cayley, Jr (< [log in to unmask]>) escribió: > I appreciate Jim McCormack's thoughts... Evidence based medicine needs to > be about discussion of the EVIDENCE. Clearly personal feeling and > perspectives come into play in ANY interpretation of information > (scientific evidence included) but for the good of all we need to aim for > clear, transparent, and (hopefully) dispassionate discussion of the merits > of evidence... > > Tx > > > Bill Cayley, Jr, MD MDiv > [log in to unmask] > *[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> * > *http://twitter.com/bcayley <http://twitter.com/bcayley> * > Work: 715.286.2270 > Pager: 715.838.7940 > Mobile: 715.828.4636 > > *A cheerful heart is good medicine... (Proverbs 17:22)* > > > On Monday, September 17, 2018 2:38 AM, "McCormack, James" < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > It’s all too bad this happened - really nothing good comes from the > original actions and then the response, as it brings into question the > validity of both sides within and outside academic circles. > > When I hear people (and there are a number who do this - including outside > Cochrane) making statements such as “we are in a war against the drug > industry” or use the term “organized crime” or that the “regulators at the > FDA don’t care” or our comments are "acid” it always worries me that the > objectivity of the individual may be compromised. > > When people feel they are in a war, some people will do things that are > improper or questionable because they might think the ends justify the > means. > > Obviously just because these sorts of phrases are used doesn’t mean the > person is for sure compromised - just when I see this type of aggression I > worry about it - just like I need to consider motives when there is any > other type of conflict of interest. People with COIs can definitely be very > objective but I still need to consider the COI. > > As much as possible, any Cochrane communication (and really any scientific > communication) should NOT include any critical comments about a person or a > groups intent or impugn any researcher or scientific group - unless you > have a study/clear evidence to prove the truth of the caustic comments. > > Unfortunately, I believe this type of action will always raise its head in > science disputes - all I can tell you is that if you are someone who does > that, your message becomes suspect because I worry about your objectivity. > That is unfortunate because likely your message is very important and valid. > > This is not meant to be a criticism but rather a suggestion that if you > want people like me to really buy into your arguments and findings you very > much hurt your cause by your aggressive rhetoric. > > Hope this makes sense. > > James > > > > On Sep 16, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Cochrane on fire. One of the medical world’s most respected expert bodies > is in turmoil as its annual meeting gets underway in Edinburgh, Scotland, > after its governing board voted to expel a member. > La Cochrane arde tras la expulsión de Peter C Gøtzsche > > https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/16/expulsion-cochrane-peter-gotzsche-medicine/ > > El dom., 16 sept. 2018 a las 22:58, Juan Gérvas (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > *-for those who read French* > https://twitter.com/MartinFierro769/status/1041420379170979841 > 8 L'épisode de la critique de la revue Cochrane par Peter Gotzsche est > bien la goutte qui a fait déborder le vase et emmené le CEO à réclamer des > mesures définitives contre P Gotzsche. Mais celui-ci n'est pas isolé. Il a > seulement dit tout haut ce que bp pensaient tout bas. > *-for those who read Spanish:* > -Cochrane pierde credibilidad científica y social por la deficiente > gestión de las críticas a su revisión sobre la vacuna del papiloma (VPH) > > http://www.nogracias.eu/2018/09/15/cochrane-pierde-credibilidad-cientifica-social-la-deficiente-gestion-las-criticas-revision-la-vacuna-del-papiloma-vph/ > -La regeneración de Cochrane > http://www.nogracias.eu/2018/09/16/la-regeneracion-cochrane/ > -COCHRANE EXPULSA A PETER GOTZSCHE > http://www.nogracias.eu/2018/09/15/cochrane-expulsa-peter-gotzsche/ > -No es sólo una guerra en Cochrane. Es general de los mercaderes de la > ciencia para silenciar al que habla. "Es corrupción organizada, y nos > intentan cerrar la boca a todos los que hablamos". > Sobre la expulsión de Peter C. Gøtzsche. > http://muscleblog.es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3809 > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > El dom., 16 sept. 2018 a las 19:51, Juan Gérvas (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > “Cochrane has become too sensitive to criticism of the pharmaceutical > industry”. > Cochrane’s sinking ship. > Scientific censorship. > https://blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2018/09/16/cochrane-a-sinking-ship/ > > El dom., 16 sept. 2018 a las 19:25, Juan Gérvas (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > RESIGNS. The chief editor of @*cochranecollab* > <https://twitter.com/cochranecollab> David Tovey @*DavidTovey* > <https://twitter.com/DavidTovey>, author of the Cochrane reply to Lars > Jørgensen, Peter C Gøtzsche and Tom Jefferson critical review about VPH > vaccine, resigns. > Tovey D, Soares-Weiser K. Response to *BMJ Evidence Based Medicine* > article criticizing the Cochrane Review of HPV vaccines. Sep 2018. > > El dom., 16 sept. 2018 a las 17:30, Juan Gérvas (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > Cochrane Regeneration > After the serious crisis opened in Cochrane by the expulsion of Peter C. > Gøtzsche and the resignation of four members of the Governing Board comes > this proposal from people in the critical environment of the organization. > State of play: proposals for Annual General Meeting and strategy for a > regeneration of Cochrane. > http://www.nogracias.eu/2018/09/16/cochran-regeneration/ > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > El dom., 16 sept. 2018 a las 12:09, Kelleher, Kevin (< > [log in to unmask]>) escribió: > > This debate will be one where evidence will not feature rather one's > preordained stance is the only determinate of "the truth" > > PS I am extremely pro vaccines but no clue which side here is correct if > either is anyway > > > Dr Kevin Kelleher > AND for Public Health and Child Health > Director, Health Protection Surveillance Centre > Strategic Planning and Transformation > HSE > 061483347 > MCRN 19719 > ------------------------------ > From: Juan Gérvas <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 15/09/2018 23:36 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Peter C Gøtzsche, expelled from the Cochrane > > Message from the Governing Board > 25th Cochrane Colloquium, Edinburgh. The Governing Board looks forward to > welcoming nearly 1,300 participants from 57 countries to celebrate our > theme of ‘Cochrane for all: better evidence for better health decisions’. > https://www.cochrane.org/news/message-governing-board > <https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cochrane.org%2Fnews%2Fmessage-governing-board&h=AT2V8adX26Ifdq4Fs40NN66dtYq2E40s-MSJPCuSkIUtEnvwwj5S2sfcGRPUWW8Lm0P3wQPsOlnGyh0b7Nm-Fp2NCQK0L-CO0kYntX28MVSdTe5vxGdGZmPJEw5ozBt6wFh8E6z4Yp7yJ5IM_42H8Zi0XDrjW37neFIuqWl5xNh8fQGVv-K8VMwIaKvh3e5LuL39_i4OfBJe2jYEHuO6u69-3wCL_I54leTdAMlVbw7i1f1_NKddwM530_xb37liyEy4dYS8G-N132-x0D0wUBP43O_c8gRGrWGndztHubZTx0k-JStCKP2ABKIjocl48_8Fa-TBblrgHXK-wPWCByXxO3QE5LVsAKV1vI1-v0qw7OZZUDLDs2h5Gbwhe0ke0c7AUQVW-SuUU5LNbAjvztQcL5Gl_1LzIw> > > According to the minutes of the previous Cochrane Governing Board June 13 > teleconference https://community.cochrane.org/organizational > -info/people/governing-board/agenda-and-minutes … > <https://t.co/OKvd0yKaYV> Members who remain: Martin Burton, Candy > Farquar, Janet Clakson, Maria Gladys Faba, Gerald Gartehner, Marguerite > Koster, Raewyn Lamb and Catherine Marshall > > > El sáb., 15 sept. 2018 a las 19:18, Juan Gérvas (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > Who left the Board in Edinburgh? > > > > Joerg Meerpohl, Director, German Cochrane Centre > > Gerald Gartlehner, Director, Austrian Cochrane Centre > > Peter Gøtzsche, Director, Nordic Cochrane Centre > > Nancy Santesso, Super User, Canadian Cochrane Centre > > David Hammerstein, civil society advocate for the Commons Network > > El sáb., 15 sept. 2018 a las 18:24, Vasiliy Vlassov (<[log in to unmask]>) > escribió: > > Some people were displeased with my acid comment on the editors > response to the critical article. > > I hope you now rethink it > > VVV > > > On 2018-09-15 18:29, Jon Brassey wrote: > > Perhaps I shouldn't find humour in this, but the hashtag for the > > Cochrane Colloquium is #CochraneForAll > > > > #irony > > > > > -- > \/.\/.\/. > > Vasiliy V. 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