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Dissociation taken as a *fact *of experience? I like that RE Jameson, actually, whom I did not understand. Luke On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 20:03, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > There may well be no schizophrenic brain, but there definitely *does *seem > to be a schizo experience of objects, persons, landscapes... the issue, for > me, is that this ought not be said, least of all in paint. > Luke > > On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 19:52, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Is there anything you read that you look at and think "yes" that is me, >> myself, as a genius? >> >> Luke >> >> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 19:28, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> Or defective detective? >>> >>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 5:42 pm Luke, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> We do seem to know some stuff; mostly the rest is decorative? >>>> >>>> Luke >>>> >>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 17:32, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm a covert realist myself :) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm Luke, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > words to that effect >>>>>> >>>>>> They work for me. So not rhetorical then... >>>>>> >>>>>> Luke >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 15:31, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Because the social world of power that I experience is complex, >>>>>>> though brutal in its simplicity; incoherent, though authoritarian; inimical >>>>>>> to psychological need though ready to gratify base drives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or words to that effect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4 September 2018 at 15:19, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So why are you using surrealist techniques? For complexity, >>>>>>>> incoherence, psychological needs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 14:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had extensive dealings with Yodel and its complaints service >>>>>>>>> lately and would suggest that it covers both post-surrealism and devices >>>>>>>>> meaningfully combining into incoherence very nicely indeedy-deed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4 September 2018 at 11:56, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok so what I'm working with is: *devices meaningfully combining >>>>>>>>>> into incoherence*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A very good example of that meaningfulness would be any parody of >>>>>>>>>> closure... but it works with e.g. Imagism, I think, too; a collage that >>>>>>>>>> makes no literal sense but is still meaningful >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 11:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> sounds like a good thing! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 10:38, Tim Allen < >>>>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to describe myself in general as a post-surrealist, or >>>>>>>>>>>> at least I prefer that to some other things I get called - the problem is >>>>>>>>>>>> it is a very wide ranging 'post' >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2018, at 10:09, Luke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, a little drunk there... >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to find a starting point from which to say a poem >>>>>>>>>>>> works, rather than does something I like or feel I should. 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