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Hello,


could I add, stepping gingerly into this knot, that the quality of the faith, howe'er strained it might be by idiomatic use, is (given the context of the phrase in Spenser not only the OED) something of a moot point?  To me the faith is already there in the battle because the shield is busy protecting RCK throughout; if you look at what actually is happening, 


1) Error coils herself like a slinky and then "Lept fierce upon his shield" and her "huge train" wraps around RCK (st 18; emph added).  


Following the literal plot here, the suspense is:  will Error (doctrinal and whatever else she-it allegorizes) penetrate the shield of faith that is part of the armor of God defending the knight? (true believers might not find that suspenseful at all, since they can be sure that faith will win at the end of time, no matter what happens to this poor fool in front of them; but I am interested in what happens to him). Then 


2) Una shouts her famous line, and what actually follows is the reverse of what she seems to be indicating:  not that faith needs to be added to force --for the faith is already there underneath the coils of sin, and it's force that's lacking-- but rather, in narrative process of the poem, RCK instead adds "force" to this preexisting shield-faith, when he frees his arm and employs his grip to attack Error:  "knitting all his force got one hand free,/ Wherewith he grypt her gorge with so great paine" (st 19; emph added). The pain is his pain and her/its pain as they grapple in fleshly arms.


3) this force, as we know, fails, only provoking a further spew of Error [though it does creatively gin up two elaborate similes (i.e., Nile and gnats) in the meantime, which are parts of the overall narrative/figurative excess that keeps coming out of this poem the more we squeeze it with our interpretive powers].  Then, 


4) not force of arm and gripping grasp alone but the unnamed sword, which is the Word of God and part of that same armor as the shield, succeeds in cutting off the head of Error thanks to "more than manly force" (st 24).  So we have come full circle:  when the shield of faith, which is there all along protecting the knight from penetration by sin, is combined at the right moment with the sword of scripture, Error is defeated. The bedrock of faith is validated: "Well worthy be you of that Armorie" says Una (st 27).  The use of purely manly/human force in the meantime prolongs the narrative for our edification, and RCK gets in deeper trouble later on when he lays down his shield with Duessa. 


Conclusion:  at question is the character/quality of the force to be added to the faith; not the character of the faith to be added to the force. 


Regards, --Tom 


Thomas Herron
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East Carolina University
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Subject: Re: : ¡°Add faith vnto your force¡± (FQ 1.i.19.3)
 

Yes, Elisabeth's reading of the Bacon passage is entirely convincing.  Another instance of "add faith" in the iteral (not "purely idiomatic") sense is Paradise Lost 12 582:


                                                                 only add

Deeds to thy knowledge answerable, add faith,

Add virtue, patience, repentance, add love,

By name to come called charity, the soul

Of all the rest.


That said, I can imagine that Una might utter the words "add faith to" in one sense, and fallible Redcrosse hears it in the other. Perhaps that is too ingenious, but I rather like the colloquial idiom and am reluctant to abandon it altogether. Apologies if these points have already been made in the earlier discussion Kathryn points us to.


John Leonard


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Subject: Re: : ¡°Add faith vnto your force¡± (FQ 1.i.19.3)
 

Elisabeth,

 

You¡¯re surely right about this passage. Thanks. (And please bring it to the OED¡¯s attention!)

 

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Subject: Re: : ¡°Add faith vnto your force¡± (FQ 1.i.19.3)

 

For what it's worth, I actually think the OED might have missed a trick there (it's a brilliant resource, but it's not infallible)... To me the wider context of the Becon quote would suggest that the phrase is probably not being used in a purely idiomatic sense here, and there's at least an element of literally adding faith to a bunch of other qualities:

 

O God be merciful to me a sinner. Cry with the Leper and saye: O Lord, if thou wilt thou art hable to make me cleane. Cry with the blinde man and saye: O Iesu the sonne of Dauid, haue mercye on me. Cry with the woman of Ca¨Onane and say: haue mercy on me O Lord thou sonne of Dauid: My doughter is greuously vexed of ye deuil. Cry with the Centurion & say: I am not worthy that thou shouldest entre vnder my rofe, but speke the word only, and my s¨­ne shalbe heled. But vnto this your harty repentaunce & humble con¨Ofessi¨­ of your sinnes, you must put mighty & strong faith, beleuing yt God ye father for his promise sake made vnto all penitent sinners in Christes bloud, wil frely & merci¨Ofully forgeue you all your sins, be they neuer so manye or greuous. for without this faith all yt euer you do, is nothing worth, as thapostle saith. Whatsoeuer is not of faith, is sinne. Cain repented and confessed his fault, saying: my sin is greater, then I may deserue to be forgeuen. But because he wanted faith, he fell into desperation & was dampned: Iudas repented & confessed his sinne, saying: I haue synned, betraying the innocent bloud, yea he also made satisfac¨Otion: suche as it was, but not withstandinge because he added not faith vnto his repentaunce, confession and satisfaction, all was in vaine. Peter his fellowe disciple sinned also greuously, but because he earnestlye repented, and also faithfully beleued to haue remission of his sinnes by the precious bloud of his maister, whome he before had both denied & forsworne he was forgeuen, and receiued into fauour againe. For by faith are we made of the children of wrath, the sonnes of God.

 

(Apologies for the lengthy quote)

Elisabeth

 

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Kathryn Walls <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

RE: ¡°Add faith vnto your force¡± (FQ 1.i.19.3):

In her new book, Spenser¡¯s Narrative Figuration of Women in The Faerie Queene, Professor Judith Anderson takes issue with my argument (in God¡¯s Only Daughter, 2013) to the effect that ¡°prior to Redcrosse¡¯s abandonment (which I see as coinciding with her redemption), Una is, as [I put] it, ¡®chronically fallible¡¯¡± (Narrative Figuration, 36). Anderson devotes considerable space to my interpretation of Una¡¯s ¡°add faith unto your force¡± as (from the Protestant point of view) an appeal to the egotism of her knight (caught as he is in the grip of Error) ¨Cexpressive not of Christian doctrine but of worldly wisdom.  I first proposed this interpretation in 2009 (¡°Add faith vnto your force¡±: The Meaning of Una¡¯s Advice in The Faerie Queene 1.i.19.3 (NQ 254 [December 2009], 530-32). In the article as in my later monograph, I justified my interpretation by referring to the OED gloss on ¡°to add faith to [something]¡±, as an idiomatic expression for ¡°to give credence [to it], to believe in it¡±.  Anderson suggests that my interpretation is undermined by one of the citations in the OED entry as revised and expanded in the most current (online) edition of the OEDThe citation at stake (it is the second of five under the definition ¡°to give credence to; to believe or make believable¡± [add, v. 1. b.])  reads: ¡°Iudas repented & confessed his sinne, . . . but . . . because he added not faith vnto his repentaunce, confession and satisfaction, all was in vaine.¡± While Anderson¡¯s evident assumption that I had not checked the updated edition is incorrect (cf. God¡¯s Only Daughter, p. 23, fn. 18), I do agree that this citation points in a different direction from the other four with which it is grouped. The faith mentioned here as potentially additional seems to be justifying faith. Indeed, this citation is very strangely inconsistent with the definition it is designed to support and thus with my gloss on Una¡¯s injunction (which is, I hasten to say, supported by the entry as a whole).  Spoken by a character in a dialogue by the staunch Protestant reformer Thomas Becon, who is elsewhere in his works predictably clear on the point that justifying faith, being foundational, cannot be supplementary, it may well be an ironic usage. Its ambiguity disqualifies it from being invoked as a context for FQ 1.i.19.3.  I would refer anyone interested in pursuing the point to my article ¡°OED Add, v. 1. b. ¡®to add faith to¡¯: a problematic citation¡±, NQ 63: 1 (March 2016), 22-23.  There is also a relevant discussion on the list, which is very useful. Initiated by James Nohrnberg (Nov. 21, 2013), it may be found in the Archive.  (I searched under ¡°add faith¡±.)

 

 


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