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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Anne, I commend you for catching and squashing Whatling's odious calumny. I also forgive you for jumping to the unwarranted conclusion that citing his comments means I agree with them. Nevertheless, I do regret offending any bell ringers on this forum that his words may have targeted. Cheers, Richard On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > I am sorry, but I really must defend my fellow bellringers (who are NOT > campanologists. Campanologists study the history of ringing) > > > > Ringing is thirsty work, as many belfry rule boards testify, and a drink > after ringing is a good way to refresh oneself and discuss the ringing. To > ring while under the influence of alcohol would pose a health and safety > risk. > > > > As a Tower Captain I would not hesitate to ask anyone obviously under the > influence of alcohol to remove themselves. If they didn’t I have good > strong ringers in my band who would do so. > > > > Ringers are a damn sight less boozy than football fans and I would be > grateful if you could withdraw this allegation. > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Anne > > > > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Richard > Legault > *Sent:* 26 July 2018 13:52 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Pictures of medieval ringing > > > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > This is not about pear wine but an interesting pairing of wine and bells > in stained glass. See the signature panel on the Chartres Zodiac/Labor of > the Months Window on Stuart Whatling’s web-site. > > http://www.medievalart.org.uk/chartres/028a_pages/Chartres_B > ay028a_Panel01.htm > > He comments: > > On the left a man pulls hard on a bell-rope (the piece of glass painted > with his hands has been inverted during re-leading). To the right are two > figures - one hooded. Both of these men are clearly wine-growers - they > carry the distinctive beak-shaped hoes seen being used in panel 02. > > The association between wine-growers and bell-ringers may not be obvious, > despite the boozy reputation of modern campanologists - however Jane Welch > Williams, in her book on the 'trade windows' at Chartres discussed *the > custom of ringing bells to let people know whenever vintners had new wine > to sell*. This panel may therefore represent the end result of the > donation by Count Thibault VI to a local abbey of a vineyard at Perche - > which would fit in nicely with the other two signature panels; panel 03 > commemorates the donation itself, panel 02 shows the tending of the vines > and this panel represents the culmination of the production cycle, with the > new wine ready to sell. Although appearance and attire are often unreliable > signifiers in stained glass, Yves Delaporte noted how much the hooded > figure here resembles the one kneeling before Count Thibault in panel 03, > whilst his companion here, with the unusual cross-gartered boots looks very > like the man at the back of that group. Identical boots are however worn by > two of the men in panel02 - so they may just be an attribute of a > particular class of viticultural labourer. > > Richard J Legault > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Can anyone guide me to pictures of ringing before c1550? > > > > I have three pictures: one from the British Library of nuns processing > with one ringing two bells. The other two are of rabbits ringing; one in a > similar manner to the nun, the other using two mallets to bash a most > odd-shaped bell in a manner calculated to crack it. > > > > I have no objection to pictures of rabbits, and in no way underestimate > their intelligence, but I would prefer pictures of humans ringing. > (Incidentally, why are rabbits portrayed thus?) > > > > Thank you > > > > Anne > > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: > unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to > report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit > our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > > > > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: > unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to > report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit > our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > ********************************************************************** To > join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: > [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: > unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to > report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, visit > our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion