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Really interesting thread! My cat has learned to scratch the glass over a picture frame which has been standing on my bedroom floor to wake me up. I ignored everything else she did like gently pawing my face or miaowing but the glass scratch gets an instant reaction! As for us training cats at least, much more difficult to ascertain. I do though manage to get my other cat in from wherever he is by noisily opening a packet of ham when nothing else works, not sure if that counts as training or just pavlovian reaction because he gets his favourite treat at the end? From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jayne Richards Sent: 17 July 2018 06:19 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LDHEN] Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators? Great debate! It is not just dogs - my cats display similar skills which go beyond training or instinct. Yes, routine plays a part but I have noticed how they adapt acquired understanding to develop their means of communication with me. It is about time we give non-human animals more credit! Jayne Jayne Richards Programme Director [Rose Bruford College]<https://www.bruford.ac.uk> ________________________________ Rose Bruford College Lamorbey Park Campus Burnt Oak Lane Sidcup Kent. DA15 9DF. UK tel +44(0)20 8308 2600 | fax +44(0)20 8308 0542 ddi +44(0)20 8308 2659 | Rose Bruford College accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ________________________________ From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of David Mathew <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 8:52 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators? Hello, all. There is no doubt in my mind that my dog has learned an enormous amount since she came into our lives as a puppy. I agree that some things are indeed trained behaviours, but they are not the ones that we are talking about it. She has learned certain behaviours that have a good chance of triggering a response, true, but again, I would say that these are different things. My dog has a good vocabulary, an awareness of time and space, and shows willing to help with tasks – for example, in the garden – that she has not been taught; she uses her transferred skills to help in different contexts. If she had opposable thumbs, I’d have to pay her a working day’s wage. Best wishes David Dr David Mathew Centre for Learning Excellence University of Bedfordshire From: learning development in higher education network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Derek.Rowntree Sent: 16 July 2018 20:46 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators? Hi Gordon, Your question certainly raises some issues about what we mean by ‘education’ (rather than training, conditioning, indoctrinating, brain-washing, etc.) Clearly, dogs and other creatures can learn from experience (no animate teacher involved) and from systematic training. Sometimes the teacher will be another member of their species (e.g. their mothers) sometimes a human. But generally what they are learning is to avoid certain behaviours and to respond in set ways to recurring stimuli. We don’t know what (if anything) they think about these accomplishments and how (if at all) they relate them to other matters of significance to them, and without that I don’t think it helps to suggest (except ironically) that they are being educated. Your question also makes one wonder about the extent to which we may be ‘educating’ children and young people in this way also. But that’s another discussion for another day! Cheers, Derek ________________________________ From: learning development in higher education network <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Gordon Asher <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 16 July 2018 18:08 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Hoping folk think these questions of relevance/interest - can dogs be educated? can dogs be educators? Hi all – hoping folk think this is relevant/of interest (as I do) for the list – as to discussions about what learning (and teaching) is – and who can learn – and how? Looking for folks thoughts, on the following questions: Do you believe that dogs (and/or other animals/species) can be educated? Further, do you believe they can be educators, not merely learners but teachers? (relatedly - is there inevitably a teacher, if learning is happening?) Interested not just in your takes, but how you think these issues are viewed by - the critical education community - the mainstream education community All best G Work like you don't need money Love like you've never been hurt and dance like no-one's watching "Education either functions as an instrument which is used to facilitate integration of the younger generation into the logic of the present system and bring about conformity or it becomes the practice of freedom, the means by which men and women deal critically and creatively with reality and discover how to participate in the transformation of their world." Paulo Freire (Pedagogy of the Oppressed) "Education is the point at which we decide whether we love the world enough to assume responsibility for it, and by the same token save it from that ruin which except for renewal, except for the coming of the new and the young, would be inevitable." Hannah Arendt (The Crisis of Education) "it is impossible to imagine a future unless we have located ourselves in the present and its history; however, the reverse is also true in that we cannot locate ourselves in the present and its history unless we imagine the future and commit to creating it" (Anna Stetsenko, 2015). ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the LDHEN list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=LDHEN&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the LDHEN list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=LDHEN&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the LDHEN list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=LDHEN&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the LDHEN list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=LDHEN&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the LDHEN list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=LDHEN&A=1