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I could have said good for them and about time, instead I posted something cynical about marketing.That's what I meant.LukeOn 20 July 2018 at 16:43, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> Can it be that publishing or buying a book by someone of a different gender is a form of cheerleading?No ofc that's not what I mean, I'm referring to the opinion I posted to the listLukeOn 20 July 2018 at 16:37, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Cheerleading. Not sure what you mean by that. Can it be that publishing or buying a book by someone of a different gender is a form of cheerleading?The hyperbole that flutters around the list often resembles a dog barking at the postman….To which there is always TS Eliot lady’s reply:If one, settling a pillow by her headShould say: “That is not what I meant at all;That is not it, at all.”On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading it.> the delightful opportunity to experience how women writers have felt for decades when facing the literary establishmentThat wasn't what I meant, I just don't feel like being a cheerleader (of anyone really)LukeOn 20 July 2018 at 05:53, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Well, a marketing ploy usually means a sales tactic meant to trick people into buying a product that they might not otherwise want. Since a higher percentage of women (50%) read poetry than men (38%) (sorry these are US figures, I could not find the stats for the UK, though I tried) it seems more likely that Bloodaxe is simply trying to reach a greater number of its potential audience. In other words, answer the needs of the market, rather than to trick an otherwise indifferent audience into buying something that doesn’t interest them.
True, if you are used to reading about men in writing written about men in the mainstream media – http://displacement-poetry.blogspot.com/2013/05/poetry-and-s exism-in-guardian-review.html – it may seem strange and as if something dastardly is going on. In fact, it may only be inclusion replacing exclusion. And as I pointed out before, Bloodaxe is publishing a number of men this year; they are simply reversing the usual gender percentages. Giving you the delightful opportunity to experience how women writers have felt for decades when facing the literary establishment. Like they did, you may well ask: Where am I in this world? On Jul 19, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Just that it seems strange! A little like a marketing ploy. That's allLukeOn 20 July 2018 at 00:58, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Sorry, I’m half asleep over here: You posed your opinion, if that’s it was, as a question. So what finally was your opinion?______________________________QS: Let’s return to poetics.JR: When did we leave?—From the conversation between Quinta Slef and Joan Retallack, The Poethical WagerOn Jul 19, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I wasn’t aware you were giving an opinion. You was posed as a question. Sorry to be dense, but what was your opinion?
JOn Jul 19, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Cos it would come across like I'm angry about it rather than giving my opinion on a listLukeOn 19 July 2018 at 22:47, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Or better, why don’t you write them and ask?On Jul 19, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:My point was just that Bloodaxe could not have not been aware of gender inequality in publishing. Why now?LukeOn 19 July 2018 at 20:21, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> I notice that Bloodaxe have stopped publishing poetry by men.Does this mean JH Prynne, Matthew Sweeney, Gintaras Graujaskas, Hafej, Ken Smith, Peter Bennet, Nick Drake, Friederich Holderlin, David Constadine and John Agard (all 2018 publications) have had sex changes?Perhaps Bloodaxe is just trying to balance out centuries worth of past statistics? And of course it’s not just about numbers is it: https://www.litro.co.uk/2014/03/gender-disparity-in-poet ry-publishing-its-about-more-t han-the-numbers/ I also note Bloodaxe has gone for a more diverse in general selection of poets.And here’s another little tidbit on gender issues worth reading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/he-t hought-white-men-were-vanishin g-from-tv-i-disagreed-so-we-co nducted-an-experiment/2018/07/ 18/cc727640-8905-11e8-8aea-86e 88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term= .a383f3b5399e JOn Jul 19, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I've nothing against women only presses, but this does seem strange, either very zeitgeisty or a marketing ployLukeOn 19 July 2018 at 13:43, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask] > wrote:You have to laugh. Well, I laughed.
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