 |
 |
I could have said good for them and about time, instead I posted something cynical about marketing. That's what I meant. Luke On 20 July 2018 at 16:43, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Can it be that publishing or buying a book by someone of a different > gender is a form of cheerleading? > No ofc that's not what I mean, I'm referring to the opinion I posted to > the list > > Luke > > > On 20 July 2018 at 16:37, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Cheerleading. Not sure what you mean by that. Can it be that publishing >> or buying a book by someone of a different gender is a form of cheerleading? >> >> The hyperbole that flutters around the list often resembles a dog barking >> at the postman…. >> >> To which there is always TS Eliot lady’s reply: >> >> If one, settling a pillow by her head >> Should say: “That is not what I meant at all; >> That is not it, at all.” >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading it. >> >> > the delightful opportunity to experience how women writers have felt >> for decades when facing the literary establishment >> >> That wasn't what I meant, I just don't feel like being a cheerleader (of >> anyone really) >> >> Luke >> >> >> On 20 July 2018 at 05:53, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Well, a marketing ploy usually means a sales tactic meant to trick >>> people into buying a product that they might not otherwise want. Since a >>> higher percentage of women (50%) read poetry than men (38%) (sorry these >>> are US figures, I could not find the stats for the UK, though I tried) it >>> seems more likely that Bloodaxe is simply trying to reach a greater number >>> of its potential audience. In other words, answer the needs of the market, >>> rather than to trick an otherwise indifferent audience into buying >>> something that doesn’t interest them. >>> >>> True, if you are used to reading about men in writing written about men >>> in the mainstream media – http://displacement-poetry.blo >>> gspot.com/2013/05/poetry-and-sexism-in-guardian-review.html – it may >>> seem strange and as if something dastardly is going on. In fact, it may >>> only be inclusion replacing exclusion. And as I pointed out before, >>> Bloodaxe is publishing a number of men this year; they are simply reversing >>> the usual gender percentages. Giving you the delightful opportunity to >>> experience how women writers have felt for decades when facing the literary >>> establishment. Like they did, you may well ask: Where am I in this world? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> Just that it seems strange! A little like a marketing ploy. That's all >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> On 20 July 2018 at 00:58, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, I’m half asleep over here: You posed your opinion, if that’s it >>>> was, as a question. So what finally was your opinion? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> jaimerobles.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________ >>>> >>>> QS: Let’s return to poetics. >>>> JR: When did we leave? >>>> >>>> —From the conversation between Quinta Slef and Joan Retallack, The >>>> Poethical Wager >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wasn’t aware you were giving an opinion. You was posed as a question. >>>> Sorry to be dense, but what was your opinion? >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cos it would come across like I'm angry about it rather than giving my >>>> opinion on a list >>>> >>>> Luke >>>> >>>> On 19 July 2018 at 22:47, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Or better, why don’t you write them and ask? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My point was just that Bloodaxe could not have not been aware of >>>>> gender inequality in publishing. Why now? >>>>> >>>>> Luke >>>>> >>>>> On 19 July 2018 at 20:21, Jaime Robles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > I notice that Bloodaxe have stopped publishing poetry by men. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this mean JH Prynne, Matthew Sweeney, Gintaras Graujaskas, >>>>>> Hafej, Ken Smith, Peter Bennet, Nick Drake, Friederich Holderlin, David >>>>>> Constadine and John Agard (all 2018 publications) have had sex changes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps Bloodaxe is just trying to balance out centuries worth of >>>>>> past statistics? And of course it’s not just about numbers is it: >>>>>> https://www.litro.co.uk/2014/03/gender-disparity-in-poet >>>>>> ry-publishing-its-about-more-than-the-numbers/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I also note Bloodaxe has gone for a more diverse in general selection >>>>>> of poets. >>>>>> >>>>>> And here’s another little tidbit on gender issues worth reading: >>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/he-t >>>>>> hought-white-men-were-vanishing-from-tv-i-disagreed-so-we-co >>>>>> nducted-an-experiment/2018/07/18/cc727640-8905-11e8-8aea-86e >>>>>> 88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.a383f3b5399e >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've nothing against women only presses, but this does seem strange, >>>>>> either very zeitgeisty or a marketing ploy >>>>>> >>>>>> Luke >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 July 2018 at 13:43, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You have to laugh. Well, I laughed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 Jul 2018, at 13:10, Peter Riley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > https://mailchi.mp/4f44f7711244/the-latest-news-of-books-and >>>>>>> -events-from-bloo >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ############################################################ >>>>>>> ############ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>> > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ############################################################ >>>>>>> ############ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>>> link: >>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>>> link: >>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>> link: >>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>> link: >>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>> link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>> link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>> link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>> link: >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>> link: >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >> link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH- >> IRISH-POETS&A=1 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >> link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH- >> IRISH-POETS&A=1 >> > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1