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I very much appreciate Peter's posts, and if he was unaware of that then he is more foolish than that. Luke On 2 July 2018 at 20:42, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I mean, obviously, it is changing AND amorphous. Why the rage? > > > > On 2 July 2018 at 20:40, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Ok Tilla, I'm sorry. >> >> Luke >> >> On 2 July 2018 at 20:37, Tilla Brading <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Is your poetic belief rigid or changing, amorphous? >>> >>> >>> Tilla Brading >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> > I'm enjoying my snippet >>>> >>>> Ha! >>>> >>>> No I think one does find belief helpful. >>>> >>>> Luke >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2 July 2018 at 20:09, Tilla Brading <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you need to 'believe' anyone? Poetry as a myriad of expressions >>>>> with myriads of ways of apprehending it and I'm enjoying my snippet. >>>>> Tilla >>>>> >>>>> Tilla Brading >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > this strangulated feeling people get because there are too many >>>>>> poets and standards must be upheld etc... I mean natter way as much as you >>>>>> like >>>>>> >>>>>> That's not what I meant, am not trying to educate. I dislike e.g. >>>>>> like not knowing who to believe, as it makes for more much more work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Luke >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 July 2018 at 12:55, Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How quaint to see this business arising yet again, this strangulated >>>>>>> feeling people get because there are too many poets and standards must be >>>>>>> upheld etc. We are back in the 1930s. More pertinently I remember Eric >>>>>>> Mottram going on about this at a Cambridge Poetry Festival late 1970s and >>>>>>> Douglas Olive getting angry with him — if you believe in poetry how can >>>>>>> you want to restrict its production? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So if you’re on about this at present I offer to send to anyone who >>>>>>> asks (backchannel) for it an essay, expanded version of a talk given in >>>>>>> Huddersfield in May, called “What happened to poetry?” I can’t invite >>>>>>> discussion about this - - it’s big (28pp) and important parts of its >>>>>>> coverage are unsettled. I mean natter way as much as you like but I shall >>>>>>> be in the cellar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2018, at 12:13 pm, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques >>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep! Trying to work out the difference between those who know about >>>>>>> stuff and those who pretend to know about stuff or sound as if they know >>>>>>> about stuff is very difficult at the best of times but when people have >>>>>>> letters after their name it makes it even more difficult because of >>>>>>> cultural rules and perceptions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry haven't been posting much - too hot, too busy doing other >>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2018, at 02:47, Luke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think it should ever really matter that people are writing >>>>>>> bad poetry. I suppose a worry is that the universities are churning out >>>>>>> "experts" in poetry that aren't anything of the sort, and this encourages >>>>>>> stupidity, not just in taste but in other matters >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>>> link: >>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>> link: >>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>> link: >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>> link: >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-I >>> RISH-POETS&A=1 >>> >> >> > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1