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Oh ok, my apologies. Thanks for the link. Luke On 12 May 2018 at 18:56, Tristan Moss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > She lost an adult son. Read the poem by Riley Luke. Here’s a link to it. > https://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n03/denise-riley/a-part-song > > She just has a great way with words and the ability to choose just the > right one. Of course, this adds to the authenticity of the voice. > > > > On 12 May 2018, at 18:31, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Not suggesting that you haven't! Just suggesting that one can't decide > from your description, anymore than you can from knowing the Riley's (or at > least, the author) lost a baby. > > Luke > > On 12 May 2018 at 18:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Surely it's impossible to say without reading it >> >> > Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'. >> >> Luke >> >> On 12 May 2018 at 09:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> This interesting Tim, and knotty, but it has the feel of real >>> discussion. One might almost say authentic :) >>> >>> DH Lawrence could well be called authentic. Yet he was also rhetorical >>> and pretentious, all those dark gods that had no place wandering the >>> streets of an imagination made a bus ride from Nottingham. >>> >>> Is Peter Reading's 'C' authentic? A hundred pieces of prose behaving >>> like poems each a hundred words long written in a style au naturel but as >>> artificial and calculated as a wedding song by Spenser. A fake fiction >>> about cancer by a man who once had it and another time would die from it. >>> Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'. >>> >>> Are the best-selling Birthday Letters authentic?? Is Maya Angelou ditto? >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 May 2018 at 11:44, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes exactly Luke, the 'how' is still missing, at least in the sense of >>>> describing a 'how' that was special to Riley. I used the word 'authentic' >>>> because of its innate problems - it is one of the most difficult terms to >>>> use when applied to the arts, but nevertheless I think my use of it in the >>>> context of Riley is 'authentic'. >>>> >>>> Perceptions of and identifying authenticity in music is an even more >>>> contentious - the process that leads from authentic feeling and expression >>>> first to model/form then to simulacrum and finally to soulless golem (e.g. >>>> x factor or whatever) is almost impossible to untangle. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On 11 May 2018, at 02:03, Luke wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm still missing a *how*. No-one is innately authentic, so how does >>>> one go about it? Incidentally. I was recently listening to Kurt Cobain, of >>>> Nirvana, ha, and it struck me so, also. So not limited to poetry, anyway! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >