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Sorry - pressed wrong button. this was supposed to go back-channel. Robert ________________________________ From: British & Irish poets <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Hampson, R <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 21 May 2018 16:18:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: on verbs in poetry Thanks, Drew, for this intervention - read with much pleasure. Btw I have just mentioned to Dell that i am thinking of another purge - to come out in September - 'hostile environment': both May's Home Office regime and ecological. Might you be interested in contributing up to 3 / 4 pages? We are off to Rouen tomorrow - the road to Rouen - back on Sunday. Looking forward to seeing the cathedral and the caravaggio. best wishes, Robert ________________________________ From: British & Irish poets <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Drew Milne <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 21 May 2018 13:49:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: on verbs in poetry I've only been following the question of authenticity at a distance, but I have been enjoying the sound of Lionel Trilling spinning in his resting place. The very idea of authenticity seems inauthentic to me, a kind of substitute for some ideology of integrity that struggles to offer anything more concrete than truth to experience or truth to given prejudices, almost a substitute for something resembling existential good faith, where faith is the clear signal that a kind of theological commitment is in play. And yet to what is authenticity committed, save itself? Authentic racists cannot be faulted on grounds of their authenticity. I fear my prejudice against authenticity was confirmed by T.W. Adorno's Jargon of Authenticity, which is one of Adorno's least convincing and most polemically self-defeating books, but which nevertheless attempts to deflate the bubble of authenticity as it was purveyed in the Heideggerian diaspora. I would venture that any poet who claims or proclaims authenticity can only be doing so ironically, and that anything resembling true authenticity in a poem would more likely be evinced by studied artifice and witty dissembling than by anything resembling plain, naked or homespun truths. Which is not to say that there aren't remarkable poetic exponents of the artifice of raw truth. Drew On 21/05/2018 13:01, Luke wrote: I wonder if any poets / authors fail to be authentic or inauthentic, or succeed at being neither, etc.. There's the suggestion, above: could the term be out of use for those reasons, it not being a universal thing? Luke On 21 May 2018 at 01:12, Luke <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > those paths Tim Well, something happened, and we don't know what, and that's OK too. Thanks, Luke On 20 May 2018 at 09:18, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I prefer to avoid those paths Tim :) On Sat, 19 May 2018 1:39 pm Tim Allen, <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: No worries Dave - anyone who is happily busy is a wonderful being - as long as they are not a psychopath of course. Cheers Tim On 19 May 2018, at 12:25, David Bircumshaw wrote: Tim No ideas but in fiction in fact? Sorry for my tardiness too, and brevity, but I've been very happily busy lately. dave