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Hi Tony, Might I add the Broncolor Siros 400L or 800L monoblocs into the mix. The best colour consistency. period. Kindest regards, Andy Quiney From: AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Derek Trillo Sent: 09 May 2018 14:35 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: AHFAP Digest - 4 May 2018 to 9 May 2018 - Special issue (#2018-58) Hi Tony I’ve used a pair of Godox/witstro 360s for a year now. I changed from Elinchrom (whose Quadra is also a contender). Definitely better on location than mains - no more searching for sockets and trailing wires. It’s a very portable system. battery packs can be clamped low down on light stands to stabilise them. This gives the ability to position lights where you wouldn’t manage with heavier set ups. Downside is that they don’t have modelling lights, so you have to use experience to judge positions and angles …or test shots. The batteries will fire at full power for a day (200-300 flashes) and still have half charge or more showing. You can run 2 lights off one battery, but you’d need an extension and the battery would be flat sooner. An alternative could be the Godox 600 which has built in L-ion battery, extra power and a modelling light. If I can help further please ask - derek[at]insightimages.co.uk <http://insightimages.co.uk> cheers Derek On 9 May 2018, at 13:32, AHFAP automatic digest system <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: There are 7 messages totaling 11318 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. Travel flash lighting (4) 2. Call for presentations 3. Announcement - The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 12:21:15 +0100 From: Tony Harris <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Travel flash lighting Dear All, I'm looking at some lightweight reliable travel flash lighting for 2 & 3D works of art and have got it down to the Godox Wistra 360 or the Profoto B2. Both would be with the two light configuration, so I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of how reliable and consistent the power output might be. I'm assuming the Profoto might edge it here. Tony *Tony Harris* Digital Media & Photography Manager Government Art Collection Queen's Yard, Tottenham Court Road, London, W1T 7PA [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> * |* 020 7211 2426 [image: cid:image002.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80]@govartcol [image: cid:image003.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80] /governmentartcollection | www.gac.culture.gov.uk <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 12:39:32 +0100 From: Gary Ombler <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Travel flash lighting Hi Tony Switched over from Bowens a couple of years ago and now use the Profoto system. Have several D2’s and find them to be very robust and reliable. On one head the modelling light kept blowing, took it to Luminary Lighting [Profoto UK repairer] and even though it was over a year old, Profoto covered the cost.The light shapers and accessories from Profoto are very well made Gary www.gary <http://www.gary> ombler.com On 9 May 2018, at 12:21, Tony Harris <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Dear All, I'm looking at some lightweight reliable travel flash lighting for 2 & 3D works of art and have got it down to the Godox Wistra 360 or the Profoto B2. Both would be with the two light configuration, so I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of how reliable and consistent the power output might be. I'm assuming the Profoto might edge it here. Tony Tony Harris Digital Media & Photography Manager Government Art Collection Queen's Yard, Tottenham Court Road, London, W1T 7PA [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> | 020 7211 2426 <image002.jpg>@govartcol <image003.jpg> /governmentartcollection | www.gac.culture.gov.uk <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk> <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 11:39:56 +0000 From: Richard Ash <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Travel flash lighting Hi Tony, We have got two sets of B1's and they are life savers. Never had a issue with them, would recommend spare batteries though if you were going to use full power a lot. Also use modelling light sparingly as it drains batteries pretty quick. We use ours from anything from a press portrait to shooting large aircraft. Cheers Rich A From: "AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Tony Harris <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: "AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 12:21 To: "[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Travel flash lighting Dear All, I'm looking at some lightweight reliable travel flash lighting for 2 & 3D works of art and have got it down to the Godox Wistra 360 or the Profoto B2. Both would be with the two light configuration, so I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of how reliable and consistent the power output might be. I'm assuming the Profoto might edge it here. Tony [https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/1K25C_amtHbgbJK7dLfW6j_BgdOZ1suGo1jFGAyNI iKg3nwF-Aqb00q33vTCZfi16awFpK9yo0gM_08WQgfT6dWwisHDhQKN5CwqTLkq8B9BB1w2GUtmH 9pZGgWP0RCv_mVHzYDO] Tony Harris Digital Media & Photography Manager Government Art Collection Queen's Yard, Tottenham Court Road, London, W1T 7PA [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> | 020 7211 2426 [cid:image002.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80]@govartcol [cid:image003.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80] /governmentartcollection | www.gac.culture.gov.uk <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk%3chttp:/www.gac.culture.gov.uk/> <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 11:44:55 +0000 From: Andrew Bruce <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Travel flash lighting This (impressively thorough) comparison of the Profoto B1's and Godox AD600 is worth watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ou8ROX5dpo Best Andrew Andrew Bruce The Postal Museum | 15-20 Phoenix Place | London WC1X 0DA T: +44 (0)300 0300 700 | M: 07766 620308 | E: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [1501236260468_image001.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501 236282900_image002.png]<https://twitter.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501236299813_ image003.png]<https://www.instagram.com/thepostalmuseum/> [1501236318511_image004.jpg]<https://www.postalmuseum.org/discover/attractio ns/> The Postal Museum is the public identity of the Postal Heritage Trust. Registered as a charity in England and Wales. Registered Charity Number 1102360. Company Number 48960 ________________________________ From: AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > on behalf of Richard Ash <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 09 May 2018 12:39:56 To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Travel flash lighting Hi Tony, We have got two sets of B1’s and they are life savers. Never had a issue with them, would recommend spare batteries though if you were going to use full power a lot. Also use modelling light sparingly as it drains batteries pretty quick. We use ours from anything from a press portrait to shooting large aircraft. Cheers Rich A From: "AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Tony Harris <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: "AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 12:21 To: "[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Travel flash lighting Dear All, I'm looking at some lightweight reliable travel flash lighting for 2 & 3D works of art and have got it down to the Godox Wistra 360 or the Profoto B2. Both would be with the two light configuration, so I just wondered if anyone had knowledge of how reliable and consistent the power output might be. I'm assuming the Profoto might edge it here. Tony [https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/1K25C_amtHbgbJK7dLfW6j_BgdOZ1suGo1jFGAyNI iKg3nwF-Aqb00q33vTCZfi16awFpK9yo0gM_08WQgfT6dWwisHDhQKN5CwqTLkq8B9BB1w2GUtmH 9pZGgWP0RCv_mVHzYDO] Tony Harris Digital Media & Photography Manager Government Art Collection Queen's Yard, Tottenham Court Road, London, W1T 7PA [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> | 020 7211 2426 [cid:image002.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80]@govartcol [cid:image003.jpg@01CF86F9.22C2BC80] /governmentartcollection | www.gac.culture.gov.uk <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk%3chttp:/www.gac.culture.gov.uk/> <http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/> [cid:118050912395903851@uk-mta-138.uk.mimecast.lan]<https://www.iwm.org.uk/e vents/duxford-air-festival-2018?utm_campaign=IWMD-DAF-Internalemailsignature <https://www.iwm.org.uk/events/duxford-air-festival-2018?utm_campaign=IWMD-D AF-Internalemailsignature&utm_source=internalemail&utm_medium=email> &utm_source=internalemail&utm_medium=email> Duxford Air Festival Book Now<https://www.iwm.org.uk/events/duxford-air-festival-2018?utm_campaign=IWM D-DAF-Internalemailsignature <https://www.iwm.org.uk/events/duxford-air-festival-2018?utm_campaign=IWMD-D AF-Internalemailsignature&utm_source=internalemail&utm_medium=email> &utm_source=internalemail&utm_medium=email> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 11:45:08 +0000 From: "Maciej M. Pawlikowski" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Call for presentations Hello to all colleagues, who are colour curious and would like to meet for a one day ‘unconference’ in Cambridge on the 19th June to discuss colour calibration, colour standards and industry practices. The aim is to share knowledge with others and to learn from each other. We believe that the exchange of knowledge between group members will create greater awareness of the issues under discussion and help to develop a more consistent approach to colour management in the Cultural Heritage community. This ‘unconference’ is a good platform for research into best practices. On Monday 18th, we will organise some kind of social gathering if there are enough people who are coming early (TBC). The morning of Tuesday 19th will focus on lightning talks and discussions. Short, up to five-minute, presentations from some participants will stimulate the sharing of experience and identify the hot topics of colour management. These will be summarised and discussed further during the day. In the afternoon we want to organise at least two parallel workshops on a practical approach to colour management. There will be an opportunity for more experienced members of the AHFAP community to share their practical knowledge. Emphasis will be on hands-on experience. The range of topics will cover, but is not limited to, colour calibration workflows and standards. This will be an AHFAP Members only event and will cost is £25 per person. Tickets will be available shortly. Please check http://www.ahfap.org.uk/conferences/communicating-colour/ for information updates. This will be a quite informal event and we expect around 30-40 people to attend. If you would like to participate by giving a short presentation/talk or running a workshop or just want some more information, then please send me a message on [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Also, later on today there will be more news on imaging standards and colour measurements from Andrew Bruce from Postal Museum. Thank you, Maciej --- Maciej M Pawlikowski Head of Digital Content Unit Cambridge University Library Tel +44 1223 747430 — http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/departments/digital-content-unit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 12:01:16 +0000 From: Andrew Bruce <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Announcement - The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG There’s once again been a fair bit of discussion on the AHFAP JISCmail about colour accuracy recently, and following on from this and Maciej’s exciting announcement earlier today about the Communicating Colour ‘unconference’ in Cambridge this July I'm very happy to announce the creation of a new AHFAP Special Interest Group (SIG) The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG http://www.ahfap.org.uk/resource/sigs/standards/ Imaging Standards Metamorfoze and FADGI were born out of a need for National/Federal archives to quality control and standardise the digitisation of their material (even if that digitisation was being completed by different vendors and operators using different equipment). More recently those involved in both Metamorfoze and FADGI have worked together to write ISO19264, which attempts to unite aspects of the two standards. By imaging targets regularly as part of a workflow and then generating a series of metrics from these targets, typically measuring colour and tone reproduction, noise, sampling frequency, spatial frequency response, distortion and sharpening it's possible to: * Objectively evaluate equipment * More efficiently quality control imaging and catch and correct capture problems more quickly * Pinpoint aspects of the workflow that could be improved * Asses whether equipment is suitable for a project or not * Work with less reliance on the 'look' that software and hardware manufacturers provide us with * Achieve a greater consistency between different studios output * Add weight to our needs and requests both to those we are accountable to and to software and hardware manufacturers. However, making images that are fully compliant with imaging standards can be a complex and time consuming task. We are all using different equipment, in different studios, with different workflows, priorities, budgets and timeframes. There is no step-by-step guide or quick-fix for good reason. The ultimate answer to making standards work for you is an understanding of the technicalities and science involved so you can not only craft a workflow that complies with the standard but which works for you and your equipment, so that you're able to read the resulting metrics and solve problems effectively. The Imaging Standards Working Group SIG has been set up to promote better understanding and provide advice of best practices and practicalities when working with the FADGI, Metamorfoze and ISO19264 imaging standards to all AHFAP members. The Imaging Standards Working Group SIG is currently open, by request, but in order to maintain a focused and agile group will be limited to 10 AHFAP members that are actively using or implementing any of the agreed standards. If you would be interested in taking up one of these places, please contact me directly ([log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ). There will be an opportunity to discuss the Imaging Standards Working Group SIG and its future at the Communicating Colour event in Cambridge this July. Best Wishes Andrew Bruce Chair of the Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG Andrew Bruce The Postal Museum | 15-20 Phoenix Place | London WC1X 0DA T: +44 (0)300 0300 700 | M: 07766 620308 | E: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [1501236260468_image001.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501 236282900_image002.png]<https://twitter.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501236299813_ image003.png]<https://www.instagram.com/thepostalmuseum/> [1501236318511_image004.jpg]<https://www.postalmuseum.org/discover/attractio ns/> The Postal Museum is the public identity of the Postal Heritage Trust. Registered as a charity in England and Wales. Registered Charity Number 1102360. Company Number 48960 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 12:31:53 +0000 From: Andrew Bruce <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Announcement - The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG Sorry! - Maciej's exciting Communicating Colour 'unconference' in Cambridge in JUNE (not July as I said in my previous email!) Best Wishes Andrew Andrew Bruce The Postal Museum | 15-20 Phoenix Place | London WC1X 0DA T: +44 (0)300 0300 700 | M: 07766 620308 | E: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [1501236260468_image001.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501 236282900_image002.png]<https://twitter.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501236299813_ image003.png]<https://www.instagram.com/thepostalmuseum/> [1501236318511_image004.jpg]<https://www.postalmuseum.org/discover/attractio ns/> The Postal Museum is the public identity of the Postal Heritage Trust. Registered as a charity in England and Wales. Registered Charity Number 1102360. Company Number 48960 ________________________________ From: AHFAP, for image professionals in the UK cultural heritage sector <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > on behalf of Andrew Bruce <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Sent: 09 May 2018 13:01:16 To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Announcement - The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG There’s once again been a fair bit of discussion on the AHFAP JISCmail about colour accuracy recently, and following on from this and Maciej’s exciting announcement earlier today about the Communicating Colour ‘unconference’ in Cambridge this July I'm very happy to announce the creation of a new AHFAP Special Interest Group (SIG) The Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG http://www.ahfap.org.uk/resource/sigs/standards/ Imaging Standards Metamorfoze and FADGI were born out of a need for National/Federal archives to quality control and standardise the digitisation of their material (even if that digitisation was being completed by different vendors and operators using different equipment). More recently those involved in both Metamorfoze and FADGI have worked together to write ISO19264, which attempts to unite aspects of the two standards. By imaging targets regularly as part of a workflow and then generating a series of metrics from these targets, typically measuring colour and tone reproduction, noise, sampling frequency, spatial frequency response, distortion and sharpening it's possible to: * Objectively evaluate equipment * More efficiently quality control imaging and catch and correct capture problems more quickly * Pinpoint aspects of the workflow that could be improved * Asses whether equipment is suitable for a project or not * Work with less reliance on the 'look' that software and hardware manufacturers provide us with * Achieve a greater consistency between different studios output * Add weight to our needs and requests both to those we are accountable to and to software and hardware manufacturers. However, making images that are fully compliant with imaging standards can be a complex and time consuming task. We are all using different equipment, in different studios, with different workflows, priorities, budgets and timeframes. There is no step-by-step guide or quick-fix for good reason. The ultimate answer to making standards work for you is an understanding of the technicalities and science involved so you can not only craft a workflow that complies with the standard but which works for you and your equipment, so that you're able to read the resulting metrics and solve problems effectively. The Imaging Standards Working Group SIG has been set up to promote better understanding and provide advice of best practices and practicalities when working with the FADGI, Metamorfoze and ISO19264 imaging standards to all AHFAP members. The Imaging Standards Working Group SIG is currently open, by request, but in order to maintain a focused and agile group will be limited to 10 AHFAP members that are actively using or implementing any of the agreed standards. If you would be interested in taking up one of these places, please contact me directly ([log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ). There will be an opportunity to discuss the Imaging Standards Working Group SIG and its future at the Communicating Colour event in Cambridge this July. Best Wishes Andrew Bruce Chair of the Imaging Standards Working Group AHFAP SIG Andrew Bruce The Postal Museum | 15-20 Phoenix Place | London WC1X 0DA T: +44 (0)300 0300 700 | M: 07766 620308 | E: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [1501236260468_image001.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501 236282900_image002.png]<https://twitter.com/thepostalmuseum/>[1501236299813_ image003.png]<https://www.instagram.com/thepostalmuseum/> [1501236318511_image004.jpg]<https://www.postalmuseum.org/discover/attractio ns/> The Postal Museum is the public identity of the Postal Heritage Trust. Registered as a charity in England and Wales. Registered Charity Number 1102360. Company Number 48960 ------------------------------ End of AHFAP Digest - 4 May 2018 to 9 May 2018 - Special issue (#2018-58) ************************************************************************* Derek Trillo MA ARPS www.insightimages.co.uk <http://www.insightimages.co.uk> 07 952 983 256