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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture As the manuscript gives contemporaneous report of an eruption on the island of Vulcano in 1444, then clearly the evolution of the Romance languages was not as linear and uniform as previously supposed. Also, the manuscript was written within the realm of the Crown of Aragon, which did not include the Republic of Florence. In that respect the manuscript language is actually closer to modern Portuguese, Catalan, Galician, Occitan and Aragonese than Italian. As Anne points out, an exclusive courtly environment may also have preserved that form of proto-Romance within the associated nunnery. Regards, Gerard. ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 01 April 2018 17:59:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] Medieval Religion News. medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture The Augustinian Nuns of Lacock Abbey Wiltshire spoke the courtly French of the 13th century as this was what their founder, Ella Countess of Salisbury, spoke. They continued to do so until the Abbey was dissolved c1538 If the Voynich manuscript was written by nuns, perhaps they too were caught in some ‘time loop’ of ‘archaic’ language/dialect that was spoken in their nunnery. Anne Willis Paul Chandler wrote …If it's being claimed that the text of the Voynich manuscript was *first* written -- and not simply copied -- in 1444, Dante, for example, will be surprised at such a late date for the origin of the Romance languages. -- Paul On 31 March 2018 at 07:59, V. K. Inman <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture The Voynich manuscript has been translated/decoded several times before always with different results. This is even the second time this year that a claim has been made that it has been decoded. We need more actual translation and a lot of peer review. But I do hope you are right. V. K. Inman On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM, James Bugslag <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Hello Gerard, This is the first I've heard of this, but congratulations on solving one of the classic "mysteries" of manuscript studies - the medieval equivalent, perhaps, of breaking the Enigma Code! You seem reticent to use the popular name for the manuscript, the Voynich "Cypher" Manuscript. Is this preliminary to a "rebranding"? Do you have plans for a complete translation? The "pagan/Roman beliefs" sound very intriguing. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Gerard Cheshire <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: March 30, 2018 3:59:50 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [M-R] Medieval Religion News. medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Medieval-Religion members, I am writing to let you know about a recent development in linguistics that may be of interest to you in relation to the scholarly study of Medieval religions. In 2017 the writing system of a Medieval manuscript known as MS408 was revealed to be proto-Romance: i.e. the origin of the Romance languages. In addition, it is written with a proto-Italic alphabet. It is the only known document of this kind and therefore has considerable linguistic importance. Furthermore, the Manuscript was written by a nun belonging to a convent affiliated with the royal court of the Crown of Aragon, in 1444. There are many references to Christian and pagan/Roman beliefs, demonstrating a hybrid belief system in the Mediterranean during the 15th century. Two papers have been issued, which explain the writing system and translate a number of excerpts as examples. They can be freely downloaded from the LingBuzz website. 1. Linguistic Missing Links: http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/003737 2. Linguistically Dating and Locating MS408: http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/003808 The papers may be useful to those interested in the transition to Christianity during the Medieval period, prior to the inquisitions. They may also shed further light on the motivation behind the inquisitions as a tool for attempting to impose cultural homogeneity of beliefs across Mediterranean Europe. Many thanks for your time. Kindest regards, Gerard E Cheshire. 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