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I think I've been far too hard on these presses and their productions but yet the in-group-ness character of the "poetry scene/s" or rather its language is a difficulty.

On 1 March 2018 at 00:36, Jamie McKendrick <00001ae26018af73-dmarc-[log in to unmask]> wrote:
No worries. I'm probably not making much sense myself. I was simply trying to say that the fact that a poet might work as an academic tells you precious little about his or her work. 
  I would have thought that should be obvious. I can't see much in common between Housman, Empson, Geoffrey Hill and Anne Carson, and the list could proliferate geometrically in the contemporary scene...
Jamie

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On 28 Feb 2018, at 22:38, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Oh, apologies, I may have misread Tim's post.
Best,

Luke

On 28 February 2018 at 19:04, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
So what were you saying about "senseless"?

Cheers,
L

On 28 February 2018 at 18:55, Jamie McKendrick <00001ae26018af73-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask]> wrote:
That was more or less the point I was making!
J
 
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It's not "senseless", poets do get some stick just for having an academic post.
Cheers,
Luke
 
On 28 February 2018 at 17:57, Jamie McKendrick <00001ae26018af73-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Apologies for giving rise to a senseless discussion!
J
 
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Subject: Re: Olson's definition of a poem in Projective Verse
 
> A poet cannot be defined by their work any more than the poem can be defined by the poet

This. I think.

Cheers,
Luke
 
On 28 February 2018 at 13:44, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask]> wrote:
No no no. A poet cannot be defined by their work any more than the poem can be defined by the poet. But what defines the man who behaves like a poet? What defines the man who behaves like an academic?
 
On 28 Feb 2018, at 12:46, Jamie McKendrick wrote:

I take the view that poets are ‘defined’ by their work, if we want to use that word, and not by institutional affiliations