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OK, apologies. I'm not saying you weren't condemning enough. My apologies for causing any pain or offence. Luke On 7 March 2018 at 02:11, Jamie McKendrick < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Whatever my quarrels with Mark, I think he was right to object to my > importing the language of Pound’s radio broadcasts onto the list. And I > think this whole way of talking causes not just offence but pain. > Jamie > > > On 7 Mar 2018, at 01:52, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > The only difference being that we can rest assured that Pound didn't gas > any jews. > Apologies for being so overt. > Cheers, > Luke > > On 7 March 2018 at 01:44, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> I mean we can imagine a very intelligent "poet" who applauded the rape >> of women, and whose poetics were littered with covert references to how to >> do so. I do think Pound was a poet, though I'm less sure of Heidegger. >> >> Cheers anyway, >> Luke >> >> On 7 March 2018 at 01:34, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Black and white thinking would amount to saying that Pound could not >>> have been a poet. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Luke >>> >>> On 5 March 2018 at 15:24, Jamie McKendrick < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m just hoping my comments on the other thread won’t be read as ‘black >>>> and white retrospective moralising’. I’ve been trying to write something on >>>> Giorgio Bassani and the Jewish community of Ferrara, a Fascist stronghold >>>> during the Thirties till 1945, so inevitably, in starkest contrast, what >>>> Pound in the same period thought he was up to and if he really thought >>>> about it, has been on my mind. >>>> Though Bassani is primarily known as a novelist he’s also a >>>> considerable poet and addresses matters such as the Racial Laws in his >>>> poems as well as in the six book of the Romanzo. The testimony of Jewish >>>> poets such as Saba and Fortini needs to be considered beside the prose of >>>> Primo Levi, Natalia Ginzburg and others, for all of whom politics were a >>>> matter of life and death. >>>> Jamie >>>> >>>> *From:* Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 05, 2018 2:00 PM >>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>> *Subject:* Re: BRITISH-IRISH-POETS Digest - 3 Mar 2018 to 4 Mar 2018 >>>> (#2018-75) >>>> >>>> I mostly agree with this Peter. I think people tend to forget the >>>> mental demolishing that WW1 caused among intellectuals - and for every one >>>> that went one way (left) another went right. Despite my own lefty politics >>>> I have never gone in for black and white retrospective moralising. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On 5 Mar 2018, at 01:07, Peter Riley wrote: >>>> >>>> To put it as briefly as possible: a number of European intellectuals >>>> artists and writers engaged with fascism including anti-semitism in the >>>> 1920s and early 1930s. If you look at their birth dates and careers most >>>> of them had been directly involved in the 1914-18 war and had recognised it >>>> as the worst thing that had ever happened, and as a result of this >>>> unbelievable, soul-destroying experienced knew that it must never happen >>>> again. Lewis blamed the drift of European philosophy in the first decade of >>>> the century towards the validation of instinct (rather than either reason >>>> or emotion) for the 14-18 war. From the information received at the time >>>> German national socialism seemed like an offer of stability and an >>>> alternative to a mounting global instinctive primitivism and thus might >>>> assure peace. They were wrong, of course, as they mostly soon realised, and >>>> retracted and withdrew. To treat these errors as simply pieces of >>>> nastiness for which they must be for ever punished, is very unrealistic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >