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Quite destructive for them, too. Sorry, I probably shouldn't be linking that with Ashbery. I just find him mysterious. As a creative writing student we are being taught, at least to an extent, I think, to try to not write like him.. Cheers, Luke On 13 March 2018 at 06:25, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Yup, Baraka's racism, as well as Pound's, were absolutely authentic ... > > On 12 March 2018 at 17:25, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Baraka's black nationalism. I can imagine it there, also... >> >> >> >> Luke >> >> On 12 March 2018 at 17:19, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Oh god, not more 'vox pop' ha. I wondered what this term, >>> "authenticity", means in poetry. I can't off hand think of it turning up >>> anywhere except in discussion of Ashbery, and it's not clear there, or >>> generally, a) how we tell or b) what it achieves. >>> >>> Luke >>> >> >> >