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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Marco, For bathing in the blood of Christ see /L'Art Religieux de la Fin //du Moyen Age en France/ by Emile Male pp. 105-118: the themes of the Fountain of Life and the Wine Press seem to overlap. There are several very graphic pictures. The two themes are brought into close proximity in Ut plena sit redemptio Sub /torculari/ stringitur, Suique Jesus immemor, Sibi nil reservat Sanguinis. Venite, quotquot criminum Funesta labes inficit: In hoc salutis /balneo/ Qui se lavat, mundabitur. There might be something in a commentator on Psalm 23 (22) v. 5 (LXX) /to poterion sou methuskon hos cratiston/. /Methusko/ is normally to make drunk but it seems that it can mean overflow and if combined with a eucharistic interpretation of the verse could lead, I suppose, to the idea of bathing in the blood of Christ. Apologies if these points have already been mentioned. David J. Critchley On 04/02/2018 17:16, James Bugslag wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Although it is not directly relevant to your theme of bathing in the > blood of Christ, this seems to have emerged at about the same time as > imagery of Christ in the Winepress, but I believe that more centrally > involved drinking rather than bathing in Christ's blood. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval > religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of > Marco Piana, Mr <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* February 4, 2018 9:42:30 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Dear Phil, > > Thank you very much for sharing this insight. The last two pictures > are extremely poignant, as Savonarola often talks about being marked > by Christ’s blood. > > Fra Angelico’s Crucifixion with St Dominic Flagellating Himself, > moreover, seems to suggest a certain link between Dominican practice > and the everlasting tradition of the /flagellanti/, despite their > lay/Franciscan origin. > > And thank you Tom for your suggestion as well. Although less violent > than its German counterpart, Italian sacred iconography does not look > so dry to me. In Fra Angelico’s case, at least. > > Thank you all for your contribution. This is very exciting material! > > Have a great weekend. > > Best, > > Marco > > *From:* medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval > religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf > Of *Thomas Izbicki > *Sent:* Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:11 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > There is an interesting image at the Fogg Museum, Harvard. Attributed > to Fra Angelico, it shows a Dominican cardinal, probably Juan de > Torquemada, in the same pose as Dominic in cell 17 praying at the foot > of the cross. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=crucifixion+fogg+museum&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS758US758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmhv3Z7YrZAhWCo1kKHZZ2CfIQ_AUICigB&biw=1093&bih=530#imgrc=fYJP1suvzhU27M: > > > Tom Izbicki > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Phil Feller > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 3, 2018 5:13 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Hi Marco, > > For specifically Florentine Dominican images, you might want to > examine the Fra Angelico frescoes in Convento San Marco. Several show > crucifixions with possibly interesting blood imagery. Many of them > show Adam's skull buried at the foot of the cross, reflecting the > traditional belief that Calvary was the same location as Eden and > making reference to several typological tropes, and a few depict > Christ's blood flowing down the cross and over the skull (cells 37 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AFrescos_by_Fra_Angelico_in_San_Marco%2C_Florence%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AFra_Angelico_-_Crucifixion_with_Mourners_and_Sts_Dominic_and_Thomas_Aquinas_%28Cell_37%29_-_WGA00551.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=UmFbwZF4%2ByAF6sjVXtgpbCGpTj672a8%2BMq5osGXoYPo%3D&reserved=0> and > 38 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AFrescos_by_Fra_Angelico_in_San_Marco%2C_Florence%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AFra_Angelico_-_Crucifixion_with_the_Virgin_and_Sts_Cosmas%2C_John_the_Evangelist_and_Peter_Martyr_%28Cell_38%29_-_WGA00552.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=v38JXKzmenIq0nSVDURuCNn03qRmQb9vUmcCmskMSgE%3D&reserved=0>, > for example). Others show St. Dominic at the foot of the cross, with > the blood from Christ's side wound flowing out directly above his head > (cells 17 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSan_Marco_Frescos_%28Angelico%29%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AFra_Angelico_-_Crucifixion_with_St_Dominic_%28Cell_17%29_-_WGA00545.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=xy56%2BMEKl7L9Z%2FBZKAIbTsqMGaAnG6q5bzVhG8J1Dsw%3D&reserved=0> and > 20 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCategory%3AFrescos_by_Fra_Angelico_in_San_Marco%2C_Florence%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AFra_Angelico_-_Crucifixion_with_St_Dominic_Flagellating_Himself_%28Cell_20%29_-_WGA00546.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=5cYwwoyQk6P14s0WFwMRnG9jQirQM4tSeqHg4e085Aw%3D&reserved=0>, > for example). > > Best, > > Phil > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:24 AM, Marco Piana, Mr > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Thank you very much, Paul! > > I promptly requested the book you mentioned. I will look into it > as soon as it hits my desk. > > All the best, > > Marco > > *From:*medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval > religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Paul > Chandler > *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2018 2:16 AM > > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Marco, you may also know the striking blood-of-Christ images in > Jeffrey Hamburger's /Nuns as Artists: The Visual Culture of a > Medieval Convent/. University of California Press, 1997. But this, > too, is mainly from German sources. I can't remember if he deals > with Italy. -- Paul > > On 1 February 2018 at 04:25, Marco Piana, Mr > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion > and culture > > Dear all, > > Thanks again for the amazing feedback, and sorry for the late > answer. Things are a bit hectic at uni today. > > Dear Robert, thank you very much for sharing your findings. > The “Anima Christi” perfectly matches Savonarola’s imagery, > thus strengthening the idea that bathing in the blood of > Christ was a common topos in Dominican devotion. > > Dear David, thanks for pointing me towards the Charter of > Christ. The idea of Christ’s blood as ink is very interesting, > especially because Savonarola’s vision talks about bloody > marks as well. I will look into it. > > Dear Rosemary, please let me know more about the dating > regarding “Anima Christi” if you can. I intend to mention all > this in a note. And to me, “gushing” sounds way more > fascinating than “flowing.” > > If I have forgotten to thank someone, please let me know. I > will gladly answer to you in private. > > All the best, > > Marco > > *From:*medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval > religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of > *David Winter > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:06 PM > > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion > and culture > > Haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but I wonder > whether the Charter of Christ might be useful to you. It's an > allegorical motif in which Christ's sacrifice is compared to a > legal document or diploma. Various elements of the crucifixion > (the arma Christi, etc) become components of the document. The > blood of his sacrifice is the "ink" of the charter. Maybe > someone more versed in the motif can recommend bibliography if > it's at all useful. > Best, > > David R. 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For those > who do not know it, the words most frequently sung (in the UK > at least) are as follows: > > Soul of my Savior sanctify my breast, > Body of Christ, be thou my saving guest, > Blood of my Savior, bathe me in thy tide, > wash me with waters gushing [think we tend to sing 'flowing'] > from thy side. > > Strength and protection may thy passion be, > O blessed Jesus, hear and answer me; > deep in thy wounds, Lord, hide and shelter me, > so shall I never, never part from thee. > > Guard and defend me from the foe malign, > in death's dread moments make me only thine; > call me and bid me come to thee on high > where I may praise thee with thy saints for ay. (Edward > Caswell's translation) > > Best, > > Rosemary Hayes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:*Rob Durk > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > *To:*[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > > *Sent:*Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:56 PM > > *Subject:*Re: [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval > religion and culture > > Hi Marco > > Apologies for being late into the fray! > > My general ambit is musical and liturgical but, having > edited the music of Gaspar van Weerbeke's (c.1445-1516+) > "Anima Christi" (only a few weeks back), I did spot this > thread only the lightbulb took a little time to come > on.... not an account, but a devotional text, so slightly > off your main topic but I suspect worth visiting for context. > > Earliest surviving text is Lbl Harley 2253, c. 1340 > > http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/fein-harley2253-volume-2-article-19 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fd.lib.rochester.edu%2Fteams%2Ftext%2Ffein-harley2253-volume-2-article-19&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=H%2BU8x%2BhJ4SRWwYuKWyKciAhIevtbGDAzoEfpcf5BaC0%3D&reserved=0> > > There are a few textual variants around but no huge > significance theologically. > > "Sanguis Christi inebria me" gets a variety of renditions > into English; "inebriate" is an obvious one, but the most > widely used English translation runs "Blood of my Saviour, > bathe me in thy tide", 'inebria' having also the meaning > 'saturate, drench' (per Whitaker's Words). > > That, with the following line, "Aqua lateris Christi, lava > me," - "Wash me with water flowing from thy side" I think > definitely pulls this text into your research basket. > > The van Weerbeke setting was printed in 1503 in Venice but > my gut feeling is that it dates back to his mid 1470s > period in Milan. So a slightly variant text to Harley 2253 > was available to him. > > There's an interesting paper on the connection between the > text and Dominican thought on academia.edu > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facademia.edu&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=RJTa2pA3ISSPiurUC%2FMVaq1NyrSW6y8R%2FeOQ6HXSjbM%3D&reserved=0>: > > https://www.academia.edu/28913047/_The_prayer_Anima_Christi_and_Dominican_popular_devotion_late_medieval_examples_of_the_interface_.. > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F28913047%2F_The_prayer_Anima_Christi_and_Dominican_popular_devotion_late_medieval_examples_of_the_interface_..&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7Cf21bb9c6290b4168f01708d56b53c6d4%7C927347c284584fde99b9ca9ba94d96e0%7C1%7C0%7C636532929936590020&sdata=OY3lvfOvp5jWzS%2BmfL7bS5R%2FJVfFvuQ7IHM%2F2%2Fo3cBg%3D&reserved=0> > > Cheers > > Rob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*"Marco Piana, Mr" <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018, 18:03 > *Subject:* [M-R] Bathing into The Blood of Christ > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval > religion and culture > > Dear all, > > My name is Marco Piana, and I am a Ph.D. student at McGill > University, Montreal. During the last months, I have been > working on an article on blood devotion in early modern > Italy. One of my case studies involves a vision/prophecy > where people convert to Christianity by bathing into the > blood of Christ. I was wondering if it is a consistent > topos in medieval Christianity, and if so, if you ever > encountered a similar case. > > Thank you very much in advance! > > All the best, > > Marco > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: subscribe > medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the > list, address it to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the > list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > In order to report problems or to contact the list's > owners, write to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> For > further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > 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