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Sorry if I'm taking the spotlight away from you, Luke. I know how irritating that can be to certain egos. I simply don't like Muldoon's poetry (as I'm sure you don't like certain poetry -- not a crime, I hope!). Sorry if "crap" is a rude word — though, I’ve heard “fuck” being used here a few times over the years. I expect it all depends on who says it, though. ------------------------original message-------------------- Luke wrote: You can be dismissive if you like, but one would at least like to know reasons for calling him "crap", and perhaps that'd help create discussion of something other than you etc., as it seems for now. All the best, Luke