> playfulness Not sure that's the same as jokes, light verse, etc.. On 1 February 2018 at 18:06, David Lace <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I don't think Ashbery would have taken himself to be a serious poet. He > was all about playfulness. He once said that he never called himself a > poet. I think Harold Bloom was largely responsible in people seeing him as > serious. And it caught on. > > As to O'Hara from what I've read of his he comes across as superficial. In > his life he was seen as being a minor poet. But death tends to be kind to > such poets. > > > > > > > ------------------original message----------------- > > Tony Frazer wrote: > > > I see them both as deeply serious. That doesn’t mean they can’t have a > sense of humour. Think Martial, Catullus etc; Rochester. > > Bukowski might be on the other shelf though. > > Tony >