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You mean the chapter on the working day? Yes - I was thinking of that focus on labour time as source of value, and its connection to incarceration as the most absolute control of the working day. Edmund ________________________________ From: British & Irish poets <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Luke <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 27 February 2018 16:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Request for help -- looking for poets of immiseration > I'm reading Tongo Eisen-Martin at the moment I've looked at these (will read closely this eve), and they're interesting, and definitely seem socially aware and so on. I'm not asking "rhetorically", but where do you place the 'immiseration', which to me has clear antecedents in Marx? When I asked, I had meant specifically a section , in Das Kapital, about the workday and its manual component, our labouring as enforced physical action and movements. I shall find it and message you with it. Cheers, Luke On 26 February 2018 at 10:06, Edmund Hardy <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hello Luke, by immiseration, do you specifically mean the suppression of wage growth in order to increase value from labour time? the extent to which capitalism regulates life in order to control its reproduction, is the extent to which poetry is about immiseration if poetry is about life, or death, or written by a living person under waged conditions? the extent to which a poem looks eye to eye with these conditions - tries to, is able to, obscures itself in failing to - and tries to speak out from the language of prices - is perhaps what you gesture towards in your question. I'm reading Tongo Eisen-Martin at the moment - some poems available online. Edmund ________________________________ From: British & Irish poets <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Luke <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 25 February 2018 13:07 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Request for help -- looking for poets of immiseration First off, my sincere apologies for my glut of inane questions and posts to the list. I'm writing to ask to find poets, in any language, who are about the misery of shit and badly paid work. Just because everything I've written is super self absorbed and completely trivial. So, to try and reach out from that, well that 'immiseration' is really what I am about (ha). No time for the bucolic nightmare where I live, or some imaginary city, social issues (crises), etc.. Thanks so much for any reply. Best, Luke