LukeIs the definition saying that the causes of a poem should be if not transparent then somehow included in the poem?Perhaps I'm being too abstract etc. here.On 20 February 2018 at 16:59, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I can think of a ultra condensed form: romantic poets affected fake emotions whereas modernists presented spurious intellectualism.On 20 Feb 2018 4:08 pm, "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I'd probably need several lifetimes to explain.On 20 February 2018 at 15:52, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask] > wrote:Some might even commit suicide in full view, while others are intent on picking the reader's pocketsI like thatA great many set out to bamboozle or intellectually swindle.I don't like that.There's as much fraud in poetry as MP's expense accountsThat needs explaining. What exactly would such a fraud consist of?On 20 Feb 2018, at 15:40, David Bircumshaw wrote:Some might even commit suicide in full view, while others are intent on picking the reader's pockets. A great many set out to bamboozle or intellectually swindle. There's as much fraud in poetry as MP's expense accounts.