Cathy's point stands. Cycling for getting around is an urban phenomenon. In rural areas -- literally hard to reach (which by the way is a market research concept) - cycling is a leisure phenomenon.
However I see that your Bus Plan, John, is for getting around in York. Is there a reason why it appears to exclude people from surrounding areas coming in to York?
Ruth

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For example

“In Denmark, the poorest households travel 25% more than the equivalent families in the UK, mostly due to cycling.”

https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/463/made_to_move.pdf

And


http://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/v2-Nov-2017.pdf

Clive Durdle

On 23 Jan 2018, at 20:33, Cathy Baldwin <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

I would be wary of making generalisations like older and disabled people often find it easier to cycle than walk. I'm mobility impaired and no way could I cycle. I don't know many folks in wheel chairs who can cycle. Disabilities covers everything from anxiety to motor neuron disease to deafness to short arms via thalidomide. Best to keep things as general as possible in surveys.

On 23 January 2018 at 20:25, Clive Durdle <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
I have become a member of a hard to reach group. For health reasons I have stopped driving and after researching was recommended by a Danish neurophysiotherapist to get a cargo trike.

Older and disabled people often find it easier to cycle than walk. There prosthetic tools for conviviality come in a very wide range of species but their habitats can be complex and difficult and there are very few opportunities for symbiosis for example with trains in Uk .

With e assist they can be used by tradespeople, for the last mile problem, by young people, for the super market shop, as physio therapy. ...

My point is we have a very skewed population to survey because these options - common in nearby countries - are beyond Uk experience and we don’t ask questions about things we haven’t experienced.
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On 23 Jan 2018, at 19:29, BYRNE, DAVE S. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:


A common strategy on Tyneside and it seems in Edinburgh as well is for people to either come by bus and take a taxi back with their shopping or even to club together to take a taxi both ways given no buses or even the relative cost.  Most big supermarkets on urban Tyneside, just like the hospitals, have a free taxi phone in the foyer - perhaps not in Gosforth but certainly in Gateshead. That said the Metro Centre has good bus links and in Berwick the supermarkets are actually bus destinations.


David Byrne


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Hi all

May be worth contacting https://www.its.leeds.ac.uk/people/r.lovelace who has written and maintains R packages on sustainable transport.

So, if you from your survey can get origin and destination points, his R packages can map them onto various different sorts of map so that this can feed in to the planning process.

Short addition, my experience so far is that bus planners are fairly good at ensuring that bus routes go to hospitals and town centres, but out of town shopping centres and areas where low paid people work are basically not served at all. So low paid people need to get a bus into the town centre and then out again, plus a walk, so they can get to work. Or use a car. Bus fares for working age people are also horrendous outside London.

Best of luck

Paul

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York Bus Forum is involved in a project to find out what people want from transport in York. This is connected with the new Local Transport Plan.


We are particularly keen to get advice from "Hard to reach" people and groups.


Can anyone advise on how to do this please, or point to good, practical recent literature?

Also, is there a useful or established taxonomy of "Hard to reach" people and groups?

We plan to use many survey modes. The following are candidates:
* printed questionnaires (in "City News" which is allegedly delivered to every home and other freebies); also in pubs, clubs, community centres, community groups etc.
* web surveys (Should we use SurveyMonkey?)
* interviews
* group discussions, focus groups etc etc
* surveys and web-links at car parks, pubs, clubs, shopping malls etc etc and on and near buses, trains and traffic jams
* others. (Any suggestions please?)

A problem we shall have is how to merge all these data-type in one convenient database. That too is something I would welcome advice on.

Thanks to anybody who can help.

JOHN BIBBY



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