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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Nicola, for what it's worth from someone out of practice: - On the ides of May in the 5th year of Louis[?] the bishop agreed how great a fee to impose on master John de Grey, knight, so that he could celebrate divine office in the chapel below his property* of Cogges so long as it was decently and honestly done by him and his wife and children of his household by a priest licensed at his own cost without prejudice to the mother church of Cogges as far as it was pleasing to the wishes of the bishop of the same [church]. And this he did with the consent of the prior of Cogges etc. *on the assumption mansus, a French land unit the equivalent of a hide. Jane On 15/01/2018 21:56, Jane Stemp Wickenden wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture Thank you Monica, there probably is such a chance :-) > > Jane > > On 15 January 2018 21:06:31 GMT+00:00, Monica Tobon > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > I have very little familiarity with medieval Latin, but is there > any chance /divina/ could be a neuter substantive plural meaning > ‘divine things’ as a circumlocution for the mass? > *From:* Jane Stemp Wickenden > *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2018 8:39 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Licence for Mass > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Nicola > > I /think /"constructo ... fuerit" suggests that the chapel has > already been built and I don't think it is a chantry chapel. > > I've tried to translate but I am struggling (out of practice!) > especially with mansum, which ought to be a participle of maneo, > to remain; and by the apparent lack of a noun to accompany the > adjective divina. Would you mind awfully checking your transcript? > > Regards > > Jane > > > On 15/01/2018 11:54, Nicola Lowe wrote: >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture >> Dear Medievalists, >> >> May I ask for your expert help, please? >> >> I wonder if anyone could offer an accurate translation of the >> text below please. It is a licence given to John Grey of >> Rotherfield (1272-1311) in May 1304 for mass to be said for >> himself, his wife and family in an 'oratorio' at Cogges, >> Oxfordshire. At this date, he was married to Margaret Oddingsell >> (1277- before 1359) and they had two small sons. The manor was >> held in dower by his grandmother, the elderly Isabel Duston, who >> died later that year. Margaret received the property in dower >> when John died in 1311. There was a substantial mid >> thirteenth-century manor house just east of the church which >> contained a rectangular building with pointed windows, possibly a >> chapel. The church next door to the manor has an elaborately >> furnished north chapel of c 1330-50, apparently commemorating >> Margaret though no foundation documents have been found. >> The text is a short entry in the register of John Dalderby >> (d.1320), Bishop of Lincoln, Lincs Archives, Dioc/Reg/3 f. 82 v. >> >> “Concessio cantar' domini Iohannis de Grey. >> >> Idi maii. anno quinto apud Lud'. concessit episcopus utentum >> quantum imposuit domino Iohanni de Grey militi quod posset facere >> celebrari diuina in oratorio infra mansum suum de Coges >> constructo dummodo decens fuerit et honestum sibi et uxori sue ac >> libere familie eo per licentiam sacerdotem propriis sumptibus >> exhibendum absque preiudicio matricis ecclesie de Coges usque ad >> ipsius episcopi beneplacitum uoluntatis. et hoc fecit de consensu >> prioris de Coges. etc.” >> >> (Transcription. Dr Andrew Dunning, Curator of Medieval Historical >> Manuscripts, 1100–1500, The British Library) >> >> I can get the general sense but not the detail and would like to >> clarify the following: >> Is the oratory definitely a private chapel within the manor house >> or could it be the chapel in the parish church? >> Is it yet to be built or does it already exist? >> Is the mass a chantry mass? >> Were licences transferable between buildings? If so, could the >> licence have been granted for a private chapel in the manor house >> pending the construction of the chantry chapel in the church next >> door? >> I apologise for asking so many questions but would be very >> grateful for any help. >> Thank you very much >> Nicola Lowe >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion >> YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the >> list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave >> the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: >> [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact >> the list's owners, write to: >> [log in to unmask] For further information, >> visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion > YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the > list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the > list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: > [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact > the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] For further information, > visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion > YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To send a message to the list, > address it to: [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To leave the list, send > the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: > [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> In order > to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> For further > information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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