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Hello everyone I totally agree with William. Distance has nothing to do with individual's ability to be external examiner, rather, it is a question of commitment and motivation regardless where the post is based. A beautiful thing about geography is that one can learn how standards, process and system work in their region, I have a marvellous time! yepeee! Zrinka On 19 January 2018 at 11:24, William Keenan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Colleagues > > I find the comments made regarding geographical distance and academic > standards concerning. There is no evidence whatsoever that there is any > 'propinquity effect' on subject quality evaluation or inter-institutional > student achievement. > To assume there is or might be raises the serious question of objectivity > and professionalism in examining student work. > > Are we not meant to be making quality judgements in relation to academic > performance standards entirely independent of location? > > Best wishes > > William Keenan, PhD. > Retired > On Jan 19, 2018 11:01 AM, "Hunter, Lorna" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Peter, >> >> I've not found distance to have impacted on being selected for an EE >> role. Until recently I was based in Edinburgh and had EE roles in London >> and the far south west of England. I'm now based in the Middle East and >> have an EE role in the west of England. So distance doesn't seem to be an >> issue for some universities. I should add I don't get expenses from the >> Middle East, but I attend Exam boards when I'm in the UK or via Skype. >> >> I do agree though the wider geographical spread of EEs must have some >> impact on maintaining national standards. >> >> Lorna >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jan 2018, at 13:17, Peter Honeyman <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Good Morning >> >> >> >> I managed to get an EE role after many rejections, but I wonder if my >> lack of experience was only one factor. >> >> I’ve attended several exam boards, validations etc in the South of >> England, and have always noticed that the majority of externals seem to >> have travelled very short distances to the event. Perhaps they are known >> contacts, part of the same academic community, hopefully it’s not just down >> to economy of travelling expenses! If all your external advisers are from >> the same region of the UK, are you really measuring against national >> standards? >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> >> >> Peter Honeyman >> >> Subject Network Leader, >> >> Creative and Cultural Industries, >> >> University of the Highlands and Islands. >> >> >> >> Office: 01738 877432 >> >> Mobile: 07515 896345 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* External examiners discussion forum [ >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Tracey Bourne >> *Sent:* 19 January 2018 09:51 >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: Help! >> >> >> >> Hi Sam >> >> >> >> I'm in the same position as Patsy. 14 years HE experience, a course >> Leader, 20+ years industry practice and experience, am part of the academic >> pool for our institutions course review and academic approval panels and >> after several applications for EE roles have now given up trying. I've now >> got a role as an EE for FE colleges where they seem to be much more willing >> to take newbies on and where the fees are better. >> >> >> >> Institutions want experience which you can't get unless someone is >> willing to take on a new EE and most people who are experienced EE's are >> already in EE tenures. >> >> >> >> I sometimes wonder if institutions advertise EE roles because they have >> to, but already have someone earmarked for the role. >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> >> Tracey Bourne >> >> Course Leader for BA (Hons) Football Studies | >> >> School of Sport, Health and Social Sciences| Southampton >> >> Solent University | East Park Terrace | Southampton | SO14 0YN >> >> T: 023 8201 3652 | E:[log in to unmask] >> <[log in to unmask]> | www.solent.ac.uk >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image007.png@01D28DB8.9442F280] >> <https://www.solent.ac.uk/about/awards-and-recognition/qs-world-university-rankings> >> >> [image: cid:image003.png@01D28DB8.9442F280] <https://www.solent.ac.uk/> >> [image: cid:image004.png@01D28DB8.9442F280] >> <https://twitter.com/solentofficial> [image: >> cid:image005.png@01D28DB8.9442F280] >> <https://www.facebook.com/solentuniversity> [image: >> cid:image006.png@01D28DB8.9442F280] >> <https://uk.linkedin.com/edu/southampton-solent-university-12644> >> >> Disclaimer <http://www.solent.ac.uk/disclaimer/disclaimer.aspx> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On 19 Jan 2018, at 09:26, johanne child <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi Sam >> >> Complete agree with Patsy. It seems if you are new to the role you only >> get in when you have friends in places. Would love to do it but it seems >> institutions do not have the time to support new externals. >> >> Johanne >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On 19 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Patsy Morgan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hello Sam >> >> I think it is also important to consider those who want to be an external >> but not able to get the offers. I have tried a few times but there is a >> trend for the request for ‘external examiners’ with experience. I have 20 >> years’ experience in the hospitality industry including further education, >> and now completing my 14th year teaching in higher education at >> undergraduate and post graduate levels as a senior lecturer with >> responsibilities. I am also completing my PhD. Some transparency and >> feedback would be helpful for those who want to be an external. I would >> like to hear of others who maybe in the same predicament. >> >> Kindest regards >> >> Patsy >> >> >> >> *From:* External examiners discussion forum [ >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Samantha >> *Sent:* 18 January 2018 16:19 >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: Help! >> >> >> >> Hi Sam >> I do agree with lea. The fees just have not kept up with inflation and >> with the burgeoning pressures on academics to deliver in other areas >> coupled with the fact that fewer institutions are now recognising external >> examinerships as important for career progression The number of people >> prepared to take on the role is diminishing >> >> Best wishes >> >> Sam Rickenstow >> >> >> >> >> On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:57, Crofts, Lee (Dr) <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> More £££££ >> >> On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:29, Samira Hussain <[log in to unmask] >> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> >> >> I am hoping to draw on some collective experience. >> >> >> >> Is anyone able to share with me any published guidance/best practice at >> your relevant institutions in the way that you recruit and manage external >> examiners? >> >> >> >> My particular focus is on improving the quality of external examiners >> which are recruited and also the encouragement of more staff to become >> external examiners. >> >> >> >> Please do email me directly [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> Kindest regards >> >> >> >> Sam Hussain >> Senior Tutor >> Department of Law and Finance >> >> >> >> T: +44 (0)1582 489726 Ext: 9726 <+44%201582%20489726> >> E: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXT >> ERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> ######################################################################## >> To unsubscribe from the EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EXTERNAL-EXAMINERS&A=1 >> >> This message and its attachment(s) are intended for the addressee(s) only >> and should not be read, copied, disclosed, forwarded or relied upon by any >> person other than the intended addressee(s) without the permission of the >> sender. 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