David, my point wasn’t that PNR or Carcanet is dedicated to mainstream - it’s a poetry publisher with a wider spread of styles than most from Raworth to Hannah - nor did I mean that it shouldn’t be attacking its own. Almost the opposite. Tim’s view is that this ‘popular’ style is favoured by the mainstream, my view is that he’d find among the mainstream many who oppose it no less strongly than he does.
  Once again, a large part of the problem is lumping together a variety of styles and perspectives under this crude binary of mainstream/avantgarde and then expecting writers to keep to these categories which they may well have no interest in or loyalty to.