I have always considered poetry to be an artform and if anything my problem in the past has been with people who did not see it as an 'artform' as such but as something essentially else - a therapy, a means of communication etc. So of course avant-garde poetry (or whatever term you want to use) is an artform. I don't see what the problem is. If any avant poets do not consider it an artform I really would like to know what they think it is.

On 22 Jan 2018, at 17:48, David Lace wrote:

f poetry is an art form as the article says, is avantgarde poetry also an art form? And if so, on what basis? From what I’ve seen of it has no discernible “craft” elements, and seems just like anything goes, as long as you can find an intellectual rationale to describe your “procedure” (an avantgarde compositional buzzword).

I think the word “art” is overused a lot these days. I have a feeling that the word is seen as an embarrassment by devoted avantgarde practitioners.