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Yes it was Peter but thanks for the link Tony - just read it through quickly and it is very good. How about this... "If, on the other hand, these cultural commentators do know that poetry is an art form, why are they lying? One explanation is that they are pandering to a strain of inverse snobbery that considers talent to be undemocratic. In acting thus, they are playing a part in the establishment’s muddle-headed conspiracy to ‘democratise’ poetry." Something I've said time and time again over the past 20 years - but yes, perhaps it's coming to a head now. But heres' a thing - I would not have written or published such an article because I know, being who I am, old white male, that if I had the accusations and attacks would come piling in as they do when any of us dare to say anything negative about Kate Tempest, let alone Holly McNish and Rupi Kaur. Apart from being called misogynist they'd also probably throw racist into the mix. The fact that what the article is about has got absolutely nothing to do with gender or race would be turned on its head. So thank heaven its been written by a woman. Going to go back and read it again now. So thanks. Cheers Tim On 20 Jan 2018, at 15:30, Tony Frazer wrote: > Someone — was it Peter Riley? — mentioned this article. It’s not behind a pay-wall, like most of PN Review, so take a look. > > http://www.pnreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/scribe?item_id=10090