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Please find my early publication for your discussion: Mathematics and design education O Özcan, L Akarun Design Issues 17 (3), 26-34, 2001 https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/6887946/mathematic_design.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1512196378&Signature=F%2B%2FA6SmrBAblixERcV%2BJpe6N1E8%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DMathematics_and_Design_Education.pdf On 1 Dec 2017 Fri at 21:32 Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear David and Gunnar, > > The two videos were posted by Terry Love with the comment, “Some time ago > I suggested there were benefits for increased levels of mathematics > education for designers,” adding “Several people asked for resources.” > These two videos are supposed to be resources. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vN2QXZGnc > > http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/ > > It’s hard to see how these videos explain the benefit of increased > mathematics education for designers. The videos are irrelevant to the claim > that designers will benefit from increasing their level of mathematics. > > The first video is a conversation between Daniel Kahneman and Nassim > Nicholas Taleb. Kahneman is a Nobel Laureate in economics who works in > psychology. Taleb was a successful derivatives trader who left finance to > work on mathematical, philosophical, and practical problems associated with > risk and probability. Taleb has an excellent web site. Nothing on Taleb's > site is relevant to the claim that designers should learn mathematics. > > The second video is even less relevant. Clio Cresswell works in applied > mathematics at the University of Sydney. While she is a serious researcher > in applied mathematics, she also does popular talks about mathematics for a > public audience. This TED talk is the kind of thing that you’d present to a > class of smart 14-year-olds in the hope of convincing some of them to go > into mathematics. It is irrelevant to the whether we should increase the > level of mathematics education for designers. > > Cresswell was not making an argument for precise thinking. This was a > presentation of the fact that some mathematicians now use advanced > mathematical models to explore such topics as sex, love, or — well, > whatever. The mathematicians who do that work must use rigorous thinking > and careful modeling, but Cresswell wasn’t making an argument for rigorous > thinking. She was simply saying that some people use mathematical models to > explore topics in new ways. For that matter, she did not discuss any papers > or explain how the models work — she showed pictures of some equations and > some published papers, and she told us what the papers were about. > > That’s like say that it takes a great sense of smell to be a master > winemaker. It's an abstract and partial description of winemaking. It’s not > an argument for the sense of smell. > > While I find Taleb more interesting, nothing in either of these > presentations supports the claim that designers will benefit from > increasing their level of mathematics. > > Yours, > > Ken > > Ken Friedman | Editor-in-Chief | 设计 She Ji. The Journal of Design, > Economics, and Innovation | Published by Tongji University in Cooperation > with Elsevier | URL: > http://www.journals.elsevier.com/she-ji-the-journal-of-design-economics-and-innovation/ > > Chair Professor of Design Innovation Studies | College of Design and > Innovation | Tongji University | Shanghai, China ||| Email > [log in to unmask] | Academia > http://swinburne.academia.edu/KenFriedman | D&I http://tjdi.tongji.edu.cn > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> > Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design > Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Oguzhan Özcan, professor in design Director, Koc University Arçelik Research Center for Creative Industries ----------------------------------------------------------------- PhD-Design mailing list <[log in to unmask]> Discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design Subscribe or Unsubscribe at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/phd-design -----------------------------------------------------------------