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Until a few years ago I spent a good part of my time each year migrating old projects to new versions of the platforms they were produced with, to ensure they remained technically contemporaneous.. I’ve stopped doing that. I don’t have the time and the changes in the platforms have become to radical to migrate between. Some platforms simply don’t exist anymore and there is no proxy for them. I do keep old hardware and OS environments, with relevant software, to run legacy works - but gradually the computers die as the batteries give out and other critical elements retire themselves. There are quite a few of my works I’ve not seen for some years. for me they are just memories and some inappropriate documentation. For others they aren’t even that - they may as well have never existed. I guess I’ve got use to the idea of losing stuff. It does feel a bit like losing bits of yourself though. Is this what Alzheimer’s is like? Perhaps when the internet is gone (it will be, sooner than we think) we will suffer a form of collective Alzheimer’s. Many of us invested a lot, individually and collectively, into the net. As a younger artist I celebrated the temporal and fleeting character of media art. It was part of the rationale for the work - it had no future (a bit like the World at the time) and thus couldn’t be commodified (of course some artists work was commodified). My current work is no different though. I’ve either not learned from my mistakes or I am simply stuck in my ways, as I continue to work with systems that regularly become redundant. It is the nature of media art and if you are going to work in this field you have to live with that - indeed, you need to make it a feature. Whilst this is troubling for the artist I imagine for the curator it is an existential threat. best Simon Simon Biggs [log in to unmask] http://www.littlepig.org.uk http://amazon.com/author/simonbiggs http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/staff/homepage.asp?name=simon.biggs http://www.eca.ed.ac.uk/school-of-art/simon-biggs > On 14 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Mike Stubbs <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > co-design > better contracting and understanding of contracts (both sides) > stop using the term perpitutity > acceptance of temporality > a plan for legacy or limited duration > budget accordingly > > id love rafas input here ? > > > > > > On 13 December 2017 at 20:18, Diamond, Sara <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> Thanks for responding. These stories are hair raising. What do you think >> would be a solution? Shorter term exhibitions that then can be >> decommissioned elegantly? Required budget for maintenance? Whose >> responsibility is this? How do you manage (and your family!) platform >> change? >> >> >> Interested to know.... >> >> DR. SARA DIAMOND >> PRESIDENT & VICE-CHANCELLOR, >> O. OF ONT., RCA >> T 416 977 6000 x300 >> E [log in to unmask] >> OCAD UNIVERSITY >> 100 McCaul Street, Toronto, Canada, M5T 1W1 >> www.ocadu.ca<http://ocadu.ca/> >> >> http://facebook.com/ocaduniversity >> http://twitter.com/OCAD >> https://www.instagram.com/ocaduniversity/ >> >> IGNITE IMAGINATION! >> OUR MANDATE IS NOT SIMPLY TO IMAGINE THE FUTURE, >> BUT TO HELP CREATE IT. >> ________________________________ >> From: Paul Brown <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: December 4, 2017 6:50:50 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Cc: Diamond, Sara >> Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] New Media Public Art Conversation >> >> Hi Sara >> >> 3. What makes a new media public art work fail? >> >> In my experience - as someone who has made several major public art works, >> some dating back to the 1960’s - is that it’s fairly easy to get big chunks >> of upfront money to commission a public artwork but very difficult to get >> recurrent funding to maintain them. This is a particular problem for >> non-static artworks and it’s also true for most art projects not just ones >> in the public domain. I am full of respect for Changi Airport’s policy in >> this regard - they have a number of extremely complex artworks that are >> rarely out of order: >> >> http://www.changiairport.com/en/airport-experience/ >> attractions-and-services/kinetic-rain.html — this is just one of several. >> >> My own worst experience is with the artwork pictured below. During the >> commissioning process the local council public artwork managers insisted >> that the building developers included a clause in the eventual building >> managers contract insisting they take out ongoing maintenance cover for the >> work. It now turns out that they didn’t and the artwork has stopped >> working (after 5 years) with no plans to repair it. I am, of course, >> disappointed but there’s nothing I can do about it. >> >> My partner Wendy Mills has made many public artworks that are now >> decommissioned or in storage like this one: >> >> http://wendy-mills.com/public/occasi.htm >> >> … and my son Daniel has similar experiences as for example with his Video >> Wall Installation for W Hotels >> >> http://danielbrowns.com — and scroll down or search for “W Hotels" to >> view. >> >> If you’d like to know more please get in touch. >> >> All best >> Paul >> >> The image was rejected by the listserv so use this link instead: >> >> http://www.paul-brown.com/GALLERY/PUBLICAR/fourdragons-01.HTM >> >> Paul Brown, Four Dragons, LED display, 1750 x 1750 mm, 2012 >> Art Management: Brecknock Consulting >> The time-based version is here<http://www.paul-brown.com/GALLERY/TIMEBASE/ >> fourdragons/index.html> >> >> >> ==== >> Paul Brown >> http://www.paul-brown.com == http://www.brown-and-son.com >> UK Mobile +44 (0)794 104 8228 >> Skype paul-g-brown >> ==== >> Honorary Visiting Professor - Sussex University >> http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/ccnr/research/creativity.html >> ==== >> > > > > -- > > @MikeStubbs > Director > FACT > www.fact.co.uk > > 88 Wood Street > Liverpool L1 4DQ > > + 44 (0) 151 707 4444 > > skype name: mikestubbs45 > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > *Wu Tsang: * > > *Under Cinema* <http://www.fact.co.uk/undercinema> > > *26 October 2017 – 18 **February 2018* > ------------------------------------------------------------- > *Future Aleppo <http://www.fact.co.uk/projects/future-aleppo.aspx>* > > *9 November 2017 - 7 January 2018* > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > *The contents of this email and any attachments are intended solely for the > original recipient(s). 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