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Just going off on a side branch here, and wondering if the role of the tree - supporting all these learners - is being rather overlooked? 
Have a good evening!

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On 23 Nov 2017, at 19:20, Chris Rust <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I totally agree that if this is an engineering course collaboration to design something to enable them all to get to the top of the tree might be a perfectly valid outcome and make an authentic assessment. But I’m sticking to my basic point that this apparent joke has misleading implications and if ability to climb a tree is the outcome, it’s a perfectly valid assessment!
Chris

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On 23 Nov 2017, at 7:05 pm, Phil Race <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Sadly, there's a lot of climbing around (except perhaps in the Netherlands). It might be a valid learning outcome, but hardly an authentic one. 
Now in the society I'd like to see, there would be much more collaboration than competition. The various species might construct a scaffold, and carry the fish to the top of the tree (no doubt aided by the bird flying aloft for a better view). 
Why is it that everything seems to be competitive? We are supposed to be a social species. (Or does that just refer to what the Prime Minsister calls 'ordinary people'?
But fun is one way of defusing the situation - long live fun!
Phil

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On 23 November 2017 at 18:56, Lindsay Jordan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


'If the learning outcome is ability to climb trees'...
Is climbing trees a valid learning outcome?
Why are good climbers required in the society we wish to build?
Does our imagined society require everyone to achieve a baseline competence of climbing?
Note also the human appears to be calling the shots... funny that.

Enjoy your Thursday evening!
Lindsay



From: Chris Rust <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 23 November 2017 at 5:26:19 pm WET
To: "Giles I.G." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Academic jokes

Don’t want to sound like a grouch but this so-called joke is unhelpful and misleading. If the learning outcome is ability to climb trees then it’s a perfectly valid assessment even if the elephant will find it difficult! Maybe climbing trees isn’t for her/him!

Best wishes
Chris Rust

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On 23 Nov 2017, at 4:33 pm, Giles I.G. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Another favourite of mine.

Ian



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