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Hello all, We took a decision a few years back to separate out all of our management and leadership books and put them in a separate sequence called the 'Leadership Zone' at the front of the book stacks. This has proved very popular with users and we can gather separate statistics from our LMS to show usage - the Trust has had a big push on leadership education so the collection has proved a good selling point. We also have separate sequences for exam texts, and a 'Healthy Lives' collection of self-help/wellbeing books. 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Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. From: UK medical / health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Staniland, Tim Sent: 03 November 2017 08:48 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Why don't you keep all the research books in one place? Late to the party as always.... Just a note to say we have recently put all our research books in one section. We also keep the oxford handbooks in a separate section. All our ebooks are on the shelves(?!) with an empty DVD case with a QR code on the sleeve (as well as normal info). Happy Friday! 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. From: UK medical / health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Penny Bailey Sent: 02 November 2017 12:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [[SPAM]] - Re: Why don't you keep all the research books in one place? Classifying resources on physical shelves in one linear order will always be an impossible conundrum because knowledge is compound. Classification should be open to interpretation because every collection is different with different emphases. Certainly, consistency within an organisation should be an aim. Hurray for web OPACs that make a variety of "access points" possible to one resource! I like one contributor suggestion that computers could be placed in the library on prominent display to encourage using the OPAC because not all resources are physical these days and users could be missing out on digital resources. And OPACs should be as easy to use as a retail website like Amazon. Has anyone mentioned user education and training to search the OPAC, rather than habitually browsing the same section of shelves? And it's good to see that Ranganathan's five laws of library science still hold true! All the best, Penny Bailey BA, Dip. Lib, MCLIP, MIoD, FRSA Managing Director Bailey Solutions Ltd Tel: +44 (0)1273 773788 Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Web: www.baileysolutions.co.uk<http://www.baileysolutions.co.uk> Web: www.knowallenquire.com<http://www.knowallenquire.com> Web: www.simplelittlelibrarysystem.co.uk<http://www.simplelittlelibrarysystem.co.uk> Registered in England, Company no. 04445779. Registered Office: Curtis House, 34 Third Avenue, Hove, East Sussex, BN3 2PD. VAT Reg No 737 381 417 From: UK medical / health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gaynor Thomas (Hywel Dda UHB - Librarian) Sent: 02 November 2017 11:20 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Why don't you keep all the research books in one place? Footnote (at the beginning, not the end... headnote???) - I wrote the text below before all the other answers came through and then got called away, so some of this has already been raised. I would tend to agree with the people who are looking at it from the users' perspective... As an ex-bookseller I find the cataloguing system confusing, frustrating, and often downright contrary (which I know you are well aware of Wendy, as I am sure you have heard me whinging about it :)). I have heard and understand all the arguments for it, and I think the original intention of grouping like with like is laudable, but over the years it has been adjusted and amended so much that a lot of the time it makes no sense at all. It is perfectly possible to follow all the rules and catalogue the same book in completely different places on two different days just because you are in a different mood - without all the reasons individual libraries may have for shelving a book in a certain place. I have often seen two editions of the same book shelved in completely different places. I have seen companion volumes shelved separately because one is a "handbook" and one is a "workbook". I know there are good reasons behind the cataloguing system, but it often leads to similar books being in very different places, which is really not helpful for the users and works against any defence we make of it. I don't think the classification system has any relevance to most of our users, and Simon's second point below If someone understands it here, they will be able to find their way around in any healthcare library, be it BMA, Southampton, Chester or even Guernsey! doesn't hold true because there is no consistency between libraries in their application of the system. I have just this morning shelved in my own library a book on medicines management in nursing - in the nursing section, which is towards the end of the collection. Other health libraries in Wales have it with the books on drugs, which are towards the beginning of the collection. Neither are incorrect, but it doesn't help the user who has come from another health board to find that book. And people looking in the drugs section will miss what is shelved in nursing while people looking in the nursing section will miss the ones filed in drugs. I have spent a lot of time while cataloguing (which I freely admit I am new to) trying to decide where is the best place to put a book - and checking where other libraries have it is no use at all because they often all have it somewhere different! None of this was a problem in the bookshop, because the database we used there told you what section the book belongs in, so there was one mind behind that decision not hundreds individually trying to interpret the cataloguing rules. While I understand from the librarian's viewpoint that it is not always best for everyone to have the same book in the same place, from the users' viewpoint it makes things a whole lot easier, and I think that if you asked any of them, they would say they find bookshops much easier to navigate than libraries. None of this is to say that one is right and the other wrong, it is just looking at it from the perspective of those whom we exist to serve. Handouts are a good idea Wendy, and now that we have the advantage of an electronic catalogue which allows keyword searching, that is actually the best place to start looking for a subject area because it will return all the books, no matter where they are on the shelf. So perhaps the best thing is to have computers with the catalogue ready loaded in prominent places in the library and encourage people to start their search there? 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From: UK medical / health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wendy Foster (Hywel Dda UHB - Knowledge Services Manager) Sent: 02 November 2017 09:28 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Why don't you keep all the research books in one place? ________________________________ Notice: This message was not sent from within the NHS Wales Network so it may not be from who it appears to be from. Please take extra care when following links or opening attachments contained in this message. These messages will be rejected in the future. ________________________________ As you say Simon, this is an age old problem and most library users only see if from their own point of view. I agree with all your points about students needing to learn how to use the catalogue and about the value of serendipitously finding books not on the reading list. Have you thought though about providing handouts listing books on topics such as research and communication which are spread across all subjects? Maybe this would bridge the gap. 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From: UK medical / health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Simon Alberici Sent: 02 November 2017 09:17 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Why don't you keep all the research books in one place? Dear Colleagues Not the first time I've had this query or similar, and I'm sure many of you have had the same, but the first time I've failed to satisfy with my (patient) answer. Would anyone like to offer further insights? (I do have a short reply drafted reflecting on the fact that most books are on one more that one subject, but can only be in one physical location, and the catalogue is the only way to solve this and maximise the benefit of the library to users. ) Email trail below, or just pitch in!-) Kind Regards, Simon Simon Alberici|Library and Knowledge Manager|Harvey Besterman Education Centre Library Health and Social Services | Gloucester Street| St Helier | Jersey |JE1 3QS T: +44(0)1534 442664 | E: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | W: www.gov.je<http://www.gov.je/> Thank you Simon, I know there is a system and appreciate you explaining. I also understand the students concerns. They are MSc students and diligent but see the section for nursing research and miss the other books. I would argue the classification system needs to be turned on its head. It is stuck in a medical model where only doctors did research and nurses had little books that told them about it. A lot of the research books under the medicine section have nothing to do with medicine and are actually social science. It is such a strange system. Anyway, on a positive note. I have given Cindy some more research book titles to order reference copies for the library. Best wishes, From: Simon Alberici Sent: 01 November 2017 15:04 To: Subject: RE: Research books Hi I've made the students aware of the library catalogue, however they may need more training; for X's class I did create an exercise which really allowed them to understand it, so perhaps we need to roll this out further. I can see the short term advantage in your proposal, but consider the disadvantages; * The students need to learn information literacy as they develop, and this discourages them from using the library catalogue * This classification system is universal and logical and has evolved over a period of time. If someone understands it here, they will be able to find their way around in any healthcare library, be it BMA, Southampton, Chester or even Guernsey! * The system enables diligent students to track these books down, whereas less committed students will miss them as they will restrict themselves to one section.eg nursing research WY 20. If we lump all the research books together we are not rewarding the diligent students, and enabling those who are less committed. * As students are directed to different areas of the library, they will discover books that may not be on the reading list, but still relevant. When I was studying I garnered better marks by reading around the subject and referencing many sources, and I'm sure this is still the case. No classification system is ever going to be perfect, as many books are about more than one subject, so the next best thing is to be consistent. If we keep all the research books in one place, then what do we do with the communication books? These too are spread over about 7 sections. The way we classify books is according to pre-determined schedules - please see attached for an overview of classifying of research works. This is why the research books are shelved where they are. I can see what you are saying, and as I said no system is perfect - consider the Dewey system that was invented before computers. This needs redesign, but it is impossible to catalogue and reprocess the millions of books printed since its inception. That is an extreme example. Generally if you tinker with a system to make it more logical in one way, then your forfeit an existing benefit, and end up in the same quandary, so consistency is really the key (and example of this would be lumping the communication books together, where someone looking in psychology would no longer find them there, as they would be in a new 'communication' section - neither approach is better, so there's little benefit in changing it). What you are asking is to turn the classification system on its head - I can see that in a small library it could be tempting to do so, and would in a sense work (albeit poorly), however the system is scalable, and with larger libraries I guarantee you that this would lead to chaos and confusion. I don't want to subject you to an essay on classification systems, however I hope you can see the reasoning behind what we have. We are just a tiny component of larger agreed system. There are actually specialists who deal only in this field, so I can always ask them for clarification. I can provide more training if necessary. Kind Regards, Simon Simon Alberici|Library and Knowledge Manager|Harvey Besterman Education Centre Library Health and Social Services | Gloucester Street| St Helier | Jersey |JE1 3QS T: +44(0)1534 442664 | E: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | W: www.gov.je<http://www.gov.je/> From: Sent: 01 November 2017 11:31 To: Simon Alberici <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Research books Hello Simon, Please may I make a suggestion for the library. Students are finding it difficult to navigate the research books in the library. They tend to be spread across different sections. I have had a look and I too do not find it easy, even knowing what books we have. At the minute you have some under nursing but most under different areas of medicine (even the many purchased by nurse education). I also found the research ethics and statistic books under medicine. Research is no longer under the domain of a profession and is multi-professional. 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