because it seems to be the inverse of Version translation,
with the same quotient of the imagination factored in...speaking of
Orghast
by Ted Hughes, here, Luke, Pete Smith, Peter, and
Drew (sounds like a 60s band) . Orghast, though,
was never a complete 'language' but apparently a series of
fragments.
I read an interesting book about the whole
project years ago, but
actually--outside of a few examples--there wasn't anything
so complete
as to pass for an artificial language.
Orghast was meant to be
ejaculated at moments of Artaudian angst,
so maybe a complete language
wasn't much needed.
I think there's one thing that's missing
in this Version translation discussion
and that's the slippage
between the translation of the text and the
transcreation of the
text. In what manner can the text be said to be 'owned'
by the transcreator? Surely, it must be earned in some fashion--meaning
that the transcreator must have worked--maybe done lots of work--with the
original texts
to have earned the
position of transcreator.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:59:30 +0000
From: Luke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Version translation
I like the idea there can be some humility to translation. Surely, only a
madman thinks their translation is the *greatest imaginable version*.
Luke
On 28 November 2017 at 00:26, Pete Smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> There is one poem in Prynne's "Pearls That Were" that is a version of a
> poem by Che Qianzi. It begins: "Lobster-orange, shag in parvo..." It
> isn't acknowledged in the chapbook as a translation. There may be others
> in heavy disguise & unacknowledged for all I know.
> Pete
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 27, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hasn't Prynne translated from Chinese - or did I dream that. It is the
> sort of thing I might dream when desperate for dream material.
>
> On 26 Nov 2017, at 14:56, Peter Riley wrote:
>
> he other interesting side-topic is that there have always been, and still
> are, poets who will never venture into translation of any kind, such as
> Dylan Thomas, JH Prynne, Allen Ginsberg, Sylvia Plath… and it would be
> interesting to know if they have some ethic or habit in common which
> unites
> them.
>
>
>
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