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From the other side of the pond, this all sounds like old news. Of course, we construct the “Medical Model” as a fall guy, our opposition. No one with a true medical problem can eschew a medical model. I want my drugs and procedures tested rigorously in double blind trials with all individual variation noted. However, how we access the best of what medicine can offer and how we can influence what problems medicine researches, is a social phenomenon. As long as we speak about “The Social Model,” and not “social models,” we will sound overly simplistic. There are social models I find useful and those I do not. For example, I don’t think of impairment as any closer to biology than is disability, but they are still not the same in my view. Since so many people are still stuck in a purist Medical/Social binary, I’m careful to tell my students that we all owe a great deal to the British, orthodox “Social Model,” but it is now best seen as reflected in many nuanced and contextualized models from all over the world. Devva Devva Kasnitz, PhD Adj Professor, City University of New York—School of Professional Studies—Disability Studies Executive Director, Society for Disability Studies, PO BOX 5570, Eureka CA 95502 From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kirstein Rummery Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:07 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [DISABILITY-RESEARCH] Leeds Finkelstein Lecture Series Nov- 2017 And I don’t agree that the social model is the best one for service development. So we’ll agree to disagree on that one (I am not advocating the medical model. I am saying the social model has problems and flaws. But you are wrong if you think it doesn’t inform policy and practice. It absolutely does) Kirstein Professor Kirstein Rummery FAcSS FRSA Chair in Social Policy, University of Stirling Send from remote device, apologies for brevity or typoes From: Vincent West [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 18 October 2017 17:29 To: Kirstein Rummery <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Cc: Disability E-Forum <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Leeds Finkelstein Lecture Series Nov- 2017 I wish we could get to the point where those in a position to make policy understood and applied the Social Model - and then move on. Unfortunately, all levels of government and educational institutions are stuck at best in a Medical Model paradigm and at worst in a Charity, Brave & Tragic or BioPsychoSocial Model and the UK State is using policy to actively discriminate and is producing a growing death-toll. Vin West On 18 Oct 2017, at 17:09, Kirstein Rummery <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: That's probably the point :) Disability studies has (finally) got to the point where there is a multiplicity of perspectives and debates that are part of the main discipline. It's nice to see us move beyond the medical Vs social model ... We've grown up😀 We are getting really interesting debates in feminist disability studies too. It"s empowering and engaging. Kirstein Kirstein sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and typos On 18 Oct 2017 15:24, Danny Cohen <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote: Dear Jisc Group (Leeds), I was excited to see Vic Finkelstein being honoured in your forthcoming Leeds Disability lecture series. I was a friend of Vic's and shared his Leninist take on social power. I know he was very proud of his work at Leeds. Am however baffled that Sir Tom Shakespeare is the opening speaker. The gap between their views on disability studies, activism and social titles couldn't be more marked. Vic would have seen the funny side of this incongruity however. Daniel Cohen ________________End of message________________ This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies <http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies> ). 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